Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Sat, 07 June 2014 12:41 UTC
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Subject: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
To: Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net>
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On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net> wrote: > Let me ask, what if a fedex.com employee use this email domain for > subscribing to the IETF list? Any subsequent problems are irrelevant unless FedEx, the owner of fedex.com considers them to be relevant. That is what folk complaining don't get: you don't have the right to use your employers email or a public email provider's email any way you want. The domain name owner makes the rules. As Craster insists: My domain, my rules. If you want to make the rules then get your own domain. I think that is something most IETF participants know how to do. In the medium term, lets kill the stupidity of mailing lists with a protocol that works. NNTP was originally designed to replace mailing lists. It actually works quite well at that. The only problem was the IT-Dictator mindset that underlies it: newsgroups have to be approved by the Commune! The idea that newsgroups work by the mail client PULLING a list of unread messages and then PULLING those that are to be read is the best architecture for newsgroups. I am currently using 8Gb of my primary Gmail account space, 80% of that is my mailing list mail. Google and Yahoo could both save tens of millions of dollars worth of hard drives a year with a better protocol, thats incentive to invest. The only points that need to change are the mailing list programs need to offer a very simple network API and the clients need to accept it. The second is not so difficult to deploy for the 90% of webmail users.
- Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Martin Rex
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Dave Crocker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. John C Klensin
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Webmail is implementation, not Internet architect… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Tony Finch
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Tony Finch
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Stephen J. Turnbull
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Joe Abley
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. John C Klensin
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Miles Fidelman
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… ned+ietf
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Dave Crocker
- email client popularity [was Webmail is implement… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… ned+ietf
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Brandon Long
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Eric Burger
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… ned+ietf
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Stephen Casner
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Ted Lemon
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Tony Finch
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Ted Lemon
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Scott Brim
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Miles Fidelman
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Mark Rousell