Re: [100attendees] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: Long taxi itinerary from IETF hotel to airport

David Allan I <david.i.allan@ericsson.com> Sat, 25 November 2017 19:29 UTC

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In Stockholm the rates are posted on the exterior of the cab. It pays to pay attention...and yes there is a significant variance if you are not with one of the more common companies like Taxi Kurir or Taxi Stockholm. 

There are other cities where discretion in cab choice matters. I've heard horror stories in Beijing of being taxi'd out to the middle of nowhere, and backmailed to get back.

Dave





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From: 100attendees [mailto:100attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mikael Abrahamsson
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Subject: Re: [100attendees] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: Long taxi itinerary from IETF hotel to airport

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Glenn McKnight wrote:

> notorious as well. I booked a driver to the Stockholm docks to ferry 
> to Helsinki last year to avoid the rip off artists.  I also did a tour 
> in

Historically, Stockholm (and basically all of Sweden) has been a disgrace when it comes to ripping off tourists. It's been one of the most liberal taxi markets on the planet, and some drivers took advantage of this but setting outrageous fees. All legal. The GOP in US would have been proud, it was complete market economy and if you weren't an informed consumer you risked being ripped off. Total disgrace.

Now, this has basically been curbed as of a few years ago. There is now a max "comparable rate" before you basically need a written contract with a fixed fee, before the travel even starts. This is 50% above "market rate" 
for the largest taxi companies, but it at least has taken away most of the complete rip-offs.

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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