Re: [102attendees] [103attendees] Visa problems - need a different invitation letter

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 18 October 2018 12:36 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:35:32 +0200
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Subject: Re: [102attendees] [103attendees] Visa problems - need a different invitation letter
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[citation needed]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 2:35 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Note that whether the employer is Thai or not makes no difference.
>
> Regards,
> Jakob.
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2018, at 5:22 AM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
>
> Most of us who are traveling to Thailand and need to go through customs
> and immigration are being paid by an employer not in Thailand to go to
> Thailand.
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 2:20 PM Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Most of us are “employed or working for income” while attending, not on
>> vacation or time off. Someone is paying for our time to be there.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jakob.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2018, at 3:50 AM, Lorenzo Colitti <
>> lorenzo=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 7:49 AM Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Foreigners entering Thailand for MICE without the purposes of being
>>> > employed or working for income, but being event attendants will be
>>> > regarded as tourists under the definition of Tourism Authority of
>>> > Thailand Act of B.E. 2522 (1979).
>>
>>
>> FWIW, this page
>> <http://www.thaiembassy.org/helsinki/en/customize/28150-ConferenceBusiness-meetingSeminar.html>
>> on the Finnish embassy says something similar: "Foreign nationals wishing
>> to enter the Kingdom of Thailand to attend a MICE event, which is endorsed
>> or sponsored by TCEB, without being employed or working for income, are
>> regarded as tourists". It lists the TCEB website as being www.tceb.or.th,
>> and IETF 103 is listed on www.tceb.or.th <http://www.tceb.or..th> as a
>> conference here <http://www.tceb.or.th/en/event-calendars/article/1>.
>> The TCEB page on visas is here
>> <http://www.tceb.or.th/en/article/visa-requirements>.
>>
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