Re: [102attendees] Visa problems - need a different invitation letter
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Tue, 11 September 2018 18:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [102attendees] Visa problems - need a different invitation letter
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--On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 16:56 +0000 "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote: >... > Everyone has their own circumstances, but it is really a shame > that we (IETF as an organization) can't get a definitive > statement from the Thai authorities (i.e. in writing that we > can all print & bring) that attending this conference is not > considered as "business" by Thailand. That would save a lot > of grief (and same was true for Buenos Aires and will be true > for many future IETFs). First of all, this is not really about Thailand but about general practices. Your comments about Argentina reinforce that. Second, it could be "business" for some of us and not for others, so, in the case of some countries and circumstances, the answer may not be that the meeting is or is not "business" for all participants. It may well be a shame, and probably is, but the only times I'm aware of getting that sort of guarantee (or clear and binding statement) from a government (at least a government that has not established a visa category for "standards body meeting" or equivalent) is when the government is actually a sponsor of the meeting. There may well be exceptions (my experience is definitely not comprehensive) but, by and large, what people have been experiencing is fairly normal. And, for whatever it worth, there are actually reasons for it that, from the perspective of the government, provide motivation to behave exactly the way people, especially local consulates, are behaving. Those reasons go well beyond lack of motivation even though, in some cases, that might be part of the picture too. Get the best information you can about your situation and people holding passports (or other travel documents) from your country, act as conservatively about it as you think appropriate, and then go for it, hoping for the best and making whatever contingency plans you think appropriate. If you need guarantees, especially guarantees you can enforce, you are probably better off participating remotely. john
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