Re: [103all] Visas for IETF 103 in Thailand

Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 15 August 2018 16:14 UTC

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For myself, the information seems pretty readily obtained. I asked my favorite search engine “do I need a visa to go to Thailand”, and up popped https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/thai-visas-americans/. You might make a similar inquiry.

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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2018, at 21:47, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
>> 
>> As near as I can tell, there is nothing we collectively can do about
>> this: we each need to be aware of the immigration realities affecting
>> us.  The IAD and Secretariat and all of IASA can do as much as it
>> likes to try to get information it knows, but IASA cannot and should
>> not offer legal advice to any of us.  We all must evaluate our
>> respective situations and make the determination best in each case.
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> while this probably faithfully mirrors what a lawyer would tell you, it is also terribly inefficient.
> 
> The organization behind the IETF can very well collect information about the situation for, say, citizens of the 10 leading regions that will originate participants.  I would expect my meeting fee dollars to already have paid for that, because the venue selection committee must already have looked at that.  So why withhold that information?
> 
> Yes, it would need to be qualified as “not legal advice”, “subject to change”, “void where prohibited”, etc.
> It would help if it contains pointers to authoritative information I can look up myself.
> And, ultimately, it is my decision (or that of my organization) how to handle this information, but the IETF could do most of the legwork here.  Regularly, as a routine component of venue selection and preparing for a meeting.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
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