Re: [103all] Update on IETF 103 visa information

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Fri, 14 September 2018 11:51 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Haha. You just had to prove that this thread can continue to produce
entertaining insights, did you ?

The german wiki for smallpox does actually say that some countries
did require you to show your vacination scar at immigrations...
during the time of worldwide mandatory vaccination, aka: before i think
1979, so we may be a bit late with IETF103.

I am more afraid someone in the thai government reads the IETF Tao
web page, or some attendee wears the t-shirt on travel day.  Has any conference
ever been de-listed from the MICE web page for being subversive ?

We may need a globally acceptable revised print of the t-shirt
and the IETF Tao web page. I would suggest:

We reject: kings (*), presidents (*) and voting (*).
We believe (*) in rough consensus (*)  and running code (*).

(*) Not applicable where not permitted by law. Attendees are always
expected to comply with all local regulations. No warranty of benefits
implied. Surcharges may apply. Have a nice day. You are welcome.


On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:13:34AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On Sep 13, 2018, at 19:49, IAOC Chair <iaoc-chair@ietf.org>; wrote:
> > 
> > official Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of Thailand site:
> > 
> > http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908
> 
> This links to
> 
> http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15405-General-information.html
> 
> which under 11. (5) says:
> 
> 11. According to the Immigration Act of Thailand B.E. 2522 (1979), foreigners who fall into any of the following categories are prohibited to enter Thailand:
> 
> (5)  Having not yet been vaccinated against smallpox; or inoculated, or undergone any other medical treatment for protection against disease; and having refused to have such vaccinations administered by the Immigration Doctor.
> 
> Of course, the world was a different place in 1979 (*)
> 
> Another data point that shows that the letter of the law is often useless; we need to find out how it is lived.
> 
>             .oOo.
> 
> Anyway, thank you for getting TCEB to list us!
> (The link on the event calendar https://www.businesseventsthailand.com/event-calendar to https://www.businesseventsthailand.com/event-calendars/article/4 points to a different conference though.)
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
> 
> (*) For those under 50 who may not be aware of this: mandatory smallpox vaccinations ceased in most countries in the 1970s, and the disease was officially declared eradicated from the world in 1980.  So while I might have smallpox vaccination, those under 40 won???t, and actually can???t, as there is no vaccine available outside strategic national stockpiles.  The smallpox vaccination was actually quite dangerous, with risk rates in the percents, so it won???t be resurrected outside a major bioweapon emergency even if an immigration law from 1979 says you have to have it.

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