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Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:44:22 -0800
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To: Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: [103attendees] [103all] IETF 103 T-Shirts
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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:03 AM, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:
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> Cheng,
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> My own experience from trying to have this conversation after last =
IETF is roughly:
> - T-shirts are provided by the sponsoring group.
> - The sponsor can make whatever arrangements it likes with regard to =
artwork, etc.
>   + If the sponsoring company has ownership of the art, or appropriate =
licensure, it can publish it wherever it likes under whatever license it =
likes.

Also, if it=E2=80=99s not clear, the design is not owned by the IETF or =
the IETF Secretariat.

Bob

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> This last detail is important.  While some artwork is done for hire, =
it is sometimes limited in terms of how it may be used.  For example, if =
you licensed or commissioned art for t-shirts only, mugs may not be =
appropriate.  But such restrictions on commissioned art aren't common =
from smaller designers or artists.  Basically, see your contract/lawyer.
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> -- Jeff
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>> On Nov 15, 2018, at 04:49, Chengli (Cheng Li) <chengli13@huawei.com> =
wrote:
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>> Dear IETF Secretariat,
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>> Can we open source the design of T-shirt? It seems that people like =
the IETF T-shirt.
>>=20
>> It will be great that we can get the design open source.
>>=20
>> I will be proud to point to the T-shirt and tell my friends that this =
is what I am working on. It is IETF! SPRING, SFC, 6MAN, MPLS, etc.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Cheng
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: N.Leymann@telekom.de [mailto:N.Leymann@telekom.de]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 4:55 PM
>> To: Chengli (Cheng Li) <chengli13@huawei.com>; tte@cs.fau.de
>> Cc: 103attendees@ietf.org
>> Subject: AW: [103attendees] [103all] IETF 103 T-Shirts
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>> Yes, that would be great. I am considering to print one for the kids =
- they like the elephant very much :)
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>> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: 103attendees <103attendees-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von =
Chengli (Cheng Li)
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. November 2018 03:50
>> An: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
>> Cc: 103attendees@ietf.org
>> Betreff: Re: [103attendees] [103all] IETF 103 T-Shirts
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>> I am so happy that you guys like it.
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>> I have the materials of the design, but I am not sure about the =
copyright.
>>=20
>> Should ask IETF probably?
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>> Cheers,
>> Cheng
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>>=20
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 10:44 AM
>> To: Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net>
>> Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>; Carlos M. Martinez =
<carlosm3011@gmail.com>; Chengli (Cheng Li) <chengli13@huawei.com>; Dean =
Bogdanovic <dean@voltanet.io>; 103attendees@ietf.org; =
bruno.decraene@orange.com
>> Subject: Re: [103attendees] [103all] IETF 103 T-Shirts
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>> I very much liked the t-shirt design of IETF103, and i wish the IETF =
designs designs where open source, so i could figure out myself how to =
get them printed on my own swag (i like mugs ;-).
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>> Whats the copyright status of those designs anyhow ? Nobody knows ?
>>=20
>> If there is nothing prohibiting it, why not just upload them to some =
place.... ?
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>> Cheers
>>    Toerless
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>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 08:30:31PM +0000, Jeff Haas wrote:
>>> Thanks for responding, Bob.
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>>> I guess the related question is whether exact copies are what's =
desired.  Simple front and back might be sufficient for some of the =
shirts.
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>>> -- Jeff
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>>>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 15:16, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Jeff,
>>>>=20
>>>> Last time I looked into this, cafepress was limited in what it =
could do..  For example, they can not do printing on sleeves like many =
IETF T-shirts..  It didn???t seem possible to make exact copies.
>>>>=20
>>>> Bob
>>>>=20
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>>>>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:15 AM, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:
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>>>>> IETF was approached about doing tshirt sales through its cafepress =
store using the last Berlin IETF shirt.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> While there was mild interest, it went to complete silence when =
pressed for details.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Pity - there's lots of nice shirt designs out there that would be =
worth reprints.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -- Jeff
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 09:15, Carlos M. Martinez =
<carlosm3011@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Same here, I even would consider paying for them.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 14 Nov 2018, at 4:41, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
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>>>>>>> +1.
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>>>>>>> Like the design a lot and explanation makes it even better
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