Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value of Discussion

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 24 July 2019 14:27 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: 105attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 105attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9721202B0; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.999
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J4K3ZznQGvUN; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6CFB120292; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id r6so33913854qkc.0; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wlIgItoPGJ8kZrkiif3bHA5o1lw7lN4GJXiJsbPCbjU=; b=lk22W+d6lbtVG44bjiTEe3Txa0snCvl7/AfTnbARBp6pXRNNW+opNzf1apvUc5ergN O8Dzvd13/n3TYmKgHVkCtzGLSKMLsKbO0AKvZoKGaf0DehCo2FLifi4XGkNcECrBEoR4 P5XJQHx4uhJINJALSAhUFcGWgzCfhLn3zy+8YZXFQTT3MCYviea+YpiN0t1UZSBL9ra3 1zUfPlwMZs1dvgm5syNCc/v22Fuqg9HvtWPCBDSP4RyK0TxRe7U9RbVG/Uru7KXEW2yF zB6UXYo1dr9Zclm9BLjV1+BHZofTRW8UkpN5HYpSFvwpXFHWTWk9w4UQQeTOZSJpv/gj 78pA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wlIgItoPGJ8kZrkiif3bHA5o1lw7lN4GJXiJsbPCbjU=; b=Pp6jISI3yqbSKr1B3e5RcRfVfDpDNzlX9MR0xa7GCpA0WFu3JrXBXXIMAR16KX/5mE tlHCigIoUYPK+bJ2S0q43DjpAMGS8ZAzm+8opqcRz2St4FifvHqng4sCdpJoto9WBLA+ NmZozpBLDuoRSFd20n4ltu1eOpek5FsCHJFzwZBMCbxqt7qXR/y3+Nv8lTb8MvI2vwR8 yOKl9S8lEaDDqLiqqwVWcdOxed7gqJQlgsmBh+e21HP126E8NcVWJKJnYCGG8IvKsrTY DIyJ500rbjMAjyTJfJZpIpO6YyxbznuqX3VcNzoRGciB6t0pB13lfMgZzh3jyTn644MR 5VzA==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWcJ++sbnmYzXb48cK5o6GFptK5rhOLZjrhRkAGLauciOnKU/d3 0QKA7fdEViRvZtUThbL+QWbB4cDq
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy0ekEGf/ptJs0TaxrSDd9UUPrPlAW/mLP+tE0pAD/CqG8JGliIkQytJs8292hea+SJx8T7/w==
X-Received: by 2002:a37:6f82:: with SMTP id k124mr54066838qkc.463.1563978431605; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [31.133.159.196] (dhcp-9fc4.meeting.ietf.org. [31.133.159.196]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p23sm21529019qke.44.2019.07.24.07.27.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
To: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>, "105attendees@ietf.org" <105attendees@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, IAB <iab@iab.org>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
References: <9A3A4383-3D05-489D-8A07-191E02438B8B@cable.comcast.com>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34d1963a-5445-5b72-efe7-fd7d0c1ea1d7@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 02:27:11 +1200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <9A3A4383-3D05-489D-8A07-191E02438B8B@cable.comcast.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/105attendees/CBecMtVBWG_XpCLv9vkJjzSWIl0>
Subject: Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value of Discussion
X-BeenThere: 105attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Mailing list of all 105 attendees for official communication <105attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/105attendees>, <mailto:105attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/105attendees/>
List-Post: <mailto:105attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:105attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/105attendees>, <mailto:105attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:27:30 -0000

On 25-Jul-19 02:03, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> (LLC hat off – personal opinion)
> Many opinions and views have already been expressed on the mailing list in the past several weeks. In my personal view, the 'what' and 'why' has been explored and discussed extensively. I don't think rehashing that will bring much value to the community, momentarily satisfying though it may seem. 

I wish, I really wish, I could agree with you. But there are still unanswered questions.

> Rather, in order to maximize the precious value of the mic time at the plenary, I think it would be most interesting for people to express their views on what should happen next - both in the near-term and long-term. It seems some rather fundamental questions about how to proceed in the future have been raised and this is where community views would be highly valuable.

That's true too. But one way to avoid future mistakes is to fully understand past mistakes. Are we at that point yet, as a community?

   Brian