Re: [105attendees] Global Entry/NEXUS Travel Tips for Canada

Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> Tue, 16 July 2019 16:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [105attendees] Global Entry/NEXUS Travel Tips for Canada
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You are correct.  

My advice is if you have a physical NEXUS card or GE card _bring it with you_.  It’s normally not useful for much, but when flying back from Canada if you have your GE or NEXUS card you can get in the expedited security line.  Find your card if you have it.

If you don’t have NEXUS or GE and qualify, consider getting it.  NEXUS is cheaper than GE (not by much, but maybe you don’t care?) and works well if you have a family and is a superset as mentioned previously.  If you will be in Vancouver or ever go to Canada again in the next 5 years, it’s useful.  

Hope this helps.

- Jared

> On Jul 16, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Sarah Banks <sbanks@encrypted.net> wrote:
> 
> Doesn't your app have to be approved to the point where you're ready to schedule an appt first tho? Or has that changed?
> 
> /S
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/16/2019 11:21 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>> While this is all interesting, I assume it is too late to arrange for NEXUS for the Montreal IETF.
>> Next available appointment in Montreal is 7 August.
>> 
>> Mike
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>>> Bob
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>>>> On Jul 16, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Kind of. You can get approved for NEXUS at a US location. If you do that, you won't have irises on file and will have to use the "special services" lane. You can drop by any Canadian NEXUS office without an appointment to add your irises if you so desire; this doesn't entail a new interview.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Nine
>>>> From: Sarah Banks 
>>>> <sbanks@encrypted.net>
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:35 AM
>>>> To: Warren Kumari
>>>> Cc: 
>>>> 105attendees@ietf.org
>>>> ; Ken Murchison; Jared Mauch
>>>> Subject: Re: [105attendees] Global Entry/NEXUS Travel Tips for Canada
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>>>> You still need to do the interview at a Canadian airport. Pick one that has a US entry point as well; that way you do both interviews in one fell swoop. Generally, I've found going to smaller cities to provide better appointment times; Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, they're likely to be more booked, but not always - it pays to check around.
>>>> 
>>>> /S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ..... and I just arrived (NOC team) and breezed through the Nexus line - took all of 30 seconds.
>>>>> If I’d gone through the normal immigration and customs line it would have easily been 20 minutes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And, as someone pointed out off-list, I misspoke - you can also enroll in the USA, at places which have a US / Canada border... or something...
>>>>> 
>>>>> W
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:31 AM Warren Kumari 
>>>>> <warren@kumari.net>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I applied for Nexus a few years ago - I filled in the application while sitting in a NANOG, and trying to both listen to the session while simultaneously trying to remember all the countries I’d been to in the last N years. I was scrolling down the list, and remembered that I’d been to an ICANN meeting in Seoul — so I went down to Korea, and without thinking chose “Korea, Democratic Republic of” (forgetting the truism that if the name contains “Democratic “ it probably isn’t)...
>>>>> I realized my mistake as I hit Submit, but by then it was too late...
>>>>> 
>>>>> You have to go to Canada for the interview, so I flew up to Toronto just for this - when going through customs they asked how long I was staying - so I told the truth - 3hours. This triggered all sorts of warnings, and so I had to have a long chat with the border folk to convince them I wasn’t doing anything sketchy :-p
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway I make it to the interview room, and as I walk in, I say “Hi! Before we start, I’m an idiot... I checked off North Korea, but it was South Korea.l
>>>>> The interviewer breathes a large sigh of relief, shoves a large folder and book of regulation to one side, smiles and approves my application.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Was well worth the bother - especially for places like Vancouver, where the lines can be really long...
>>>>> 
>>>>> W
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 5:56 AM Jared Mauch 
>>>>> <jared@puck.nether.net>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> You are right that GE doesn’t get you expedited to Canada. You can’t use the NEXUS lanes. If you have NEXUS you receive GE for free. It really is a deal. Plus as mentioned kids under 18 are free in nexus if they apply  and are approved with their parents at the same time.  This means a whole family can get it for $100 regardless of their size.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This works great when we travel to/from or via Canada.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Citation: i did this with my wife and 4 kids. Works great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also it’s on the website :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iCar
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:07 PM, Ken Murchison <murch@fastmail.com>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7/15/19 8:59 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
>>>>>>> 1) Bring along your Global Entry card.  It’s useful at the airport security line to get you TSA Pre type experience
>>>>>>> 2) Bring along your Nexus card.  If you enrolled at a non-airport, make an appointment to get your eye scan on file.  Just call them, they generally accept walk-up for this.  Also it gives you the TSA Pre type experience if you have this instead.
>>>>>>> 3) If you qualify for a Global Entry, consider NEXUS instead.  You must get your interview at the US/Canada border, but NEXUS is $50/5y vs $100/5y for GE.  You also get GE if you have NEXUS.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't believe that point 3) is entirely correct.  I live a little north of Buffalo, NY about 10mi from Niagara Falls and the Canadian border and have traveled more into Canada than to Ohio, so I have working experience.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nexus gets you TSA pre-check and expedited crossing of the US/Canada border in both directions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Global Entry gets you TSA pre-check and expedited entry into the US from anywhere, including Canada, but Global entry does NOT get you expedited entry into Canada.  And even if you have GE, you need to activate it for land entry online in order to use Nexus lanes when entering the US via automobile.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The bottom line is that if you live close to to the US/Canada border like I do, and also travel to Europe or beyond, you want both GE and Nexus.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, I may be wrong but this is what I have learned through my experiences.
>>>>>> 
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