Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Administrative Plenary Time Constraint: Must End by 21:00

Brian E Carpenter <> Wed, 24 July 2019 14:21 UTC

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On 25-Jul-19 01:52, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On 24 Jul 2019, at 9:32, Michael StJohns wrote:
>> I would prefer to do this rather than be heavy handed in restricting 
>> the time of each speaker/questioner. 
> -1. Many people have already been talking about dreading the expected 
> long-winded "you should have done it this way" comments at the mic 
> tonight.

Really? I agree that comments and questions should not be long-winded,
but I don't think that is Mike's intention. It's a matter of symmetry:
if the meeting is to serve a constructive purpose, a one minute question
or comment should get a one minute answer, not 5 or more often repetitious
answers (as we've seen in the past). In other words, no time wasting, either
on the floor or on the dais.

It's already difficult enough if we overrun the schedule, because many
people have prior commitments at 8 p.m. 


> Restricting of time each person gets has an obvious negative effect on 
> the speakers who want to go on at length, but has a positive effect on 
> the other 90%+ of the people in the room. I would prefer optimizing for 
> the latter. Speakers who have more to say can use the ietf@ mailing list 
> for long messages, and many already have.
> --Paul Hoffman
> .