Re: [105attendees] [IAB] Agenda Bashing was Re: Administrative Plenary Time Constraint: Must End by 21:00

Ted Hardie <> Wed, 24 July 2019 14:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [105attendees] [IAB] Agenda Bashing was Re: Administrative Plenary Time Constraint: Must End by 21:00
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Hi Mike,

 We'd put the IAB/RSE discussion at the end so it could have the balance of
time; we weren't aware of the hard stop from the hotel until this morning.
As you just heard from Alissa, we're talking about what adjustments we can
make at this stage.   We're already working to keep the administrative
presentations short, to recover as much time as possible.  We may be able
to do more, and Alissa will announce it when a plan comes together.

On your point about IAB responses, our intent for the RSE discussion is to
listen and to ask questions as much as possible.  We'll obviously answer
any questions, but we will try to keep that short so that we can focus on
listening to the community about how to make this better.    Given that the
hard stop is over an hour after the scheduled end of the plenary, I'm
hopeful that the combination will give us the time we need to get a good
start on the discussion on this.  As I said to John, we also believe that
this conversation will need to continue past the plenary to include the
audiences that he pointed out are not with us in Montreal.

As the IAB is the group accountable to the community, we will be on the
stage, including Heather and the IAB members of the RSOC.  The rest of the
RSOC will be attending the plenary, and may be able to give clarifications
from the floor for points where the timeline or facts need elucidation.



On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 9:32 AM Michael StJohns <>

> Hi Alissa -
> Given the hard stop time for the plenary, the importance of the RSE
> discussion and (AFAICT) the lack of other similar topics for the IESG,  I
> propose that we move the IAB open mic session to the beginning of the open
> mic period, and seat the LLC and RSOC with the IAB for that session.   If
> we have time left over and topics, we can have the IESG take the stage at
> that time - otherwise those topics can be addressed to the mailing list.
> I would prefer to do this rather than be heavy handed in restricting the
> time of each speaker/questioner.  I'd also like to ask that as a general
> matter of course the IAB try to limit the number of IAB responders to a
> given question to the smallest number necessary in the interests of getting
> as much community input as possible.
> Thanks - Mike
> On 7/24/2019 7:54 AM, Portia Wenze-Danley wrote:
> All,
> The hotel is informed the secretariat that tonight’s administrative
> plenary must end by 21:00 in order for their staff to begin setting up the
> room for tomorrow morning’s WG sessions.  The chair has asked plenary
> presentations be kept to a minimum so we can maximize time for open mic.
> Apologies for the late notice.
> Thank you.
> ________________________________
> *Portia Wenze-Danley*
> IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim)
> (*Formerly* IETF Administrative Director (IAD)
> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)