Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Administrative Plenary Time Constraint: Must End by 21:00
"Paul Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Wed, 24 July 2019 13:52 UTC
Return-Path: <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
X-Original-To: 105attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 105attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594411200BA; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 06:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.898
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IWttf267M_pk; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 06:52:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BFC312006D; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 06:52:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.47.60.34] (dhcp-8943.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.137.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x6ODqaQa049326 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 24 Jul 2019 06:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org)
X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host dhcp-8943.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.137.67] claimed to be [10.47.60.34]
From: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
To: ietf@ietf.org
Cc: 105attendees@ietf.org, IAB <iab@iab.org>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 09:52:39 -0400
X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.5r5635)
Message-ID: <A9CE1857-CB50-401F-93A3-E89C567601EB@vpnc.org>
In-Reply-To: <9f207e34-ed63-610c-98c9-7ef7a4543d42@comcast.net>
References: <556DAC1F-F4EB-4986-AFF2-F616376F77C3@ietf.org> <9f207e34-ed63-610c-98c9-7ef7a4543d42@comcast.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/105attendees/hGuHMO-tTJl4sTFwkuaa60t7mVY>
Subject: Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Administrative Plenary Time Constraint: Must End by 21:00
X-BeenThere: 105attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Mailing list of all 105 attendees for official communication <105attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/105attendees>, <mailto:105attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/105attendees/>
List-Post: <mailto:105attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:105attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/105attendees>, <mailto:105attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:52:45 -0000
On 24 Jul 2019, at 9:32, Michael StJohns wrote: > I would prefer to do this rather than be heavy handed in restricting > the time of each speaker/questioner. -1. Many people have already been talking about dreading the expected long-winded "you should have done it this way" comments at the mic tonight. Restricting of time each person gets has an obvious negative effect on the speakers who want to go on at length, but has a positive effect on the other 90%+ of the people in the room. I would prefer optimizing for the latter. Speakers who have more to say can use the ietf@ mailing list for long messages, and many already have. --Paul Hoffman
- [105attendees] Administrative Plenary Time Constr… Portia Wenze-Danley
- [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Administrat… Michael StJohns
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Aaron Falk
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Salz, Rich
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Aaron Falk
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Kyle Rose
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [105attendees] [IAB] Agenda Bashing was Re: A… Ted Hardie
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Michael Richardson
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Ted Lemon
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Mike StJohns
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… john heasley
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Lou Berger
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Pete Resnick
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… john heasley
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Mary B
- Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Adminis… Bron Gondwana
- Re: [105attendees] Administrative Plenary Time Co… Brian Dickson