Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value of Discussion
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Wed, 24 July 2019 15:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value of Discussion
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--On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 14:03 +0000 "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote: > (LLC hat off – personal opinion) > Many opinions and views have already been expressed on the > mailing list in the past several weeks. In my personal view, > the 'what' and 'why' has been explored and discussed > extensively. I don't think rehashing that will bring much > value to the community, momentarily satisfying though it may > seem. Jason, Both from my own perspective and from observing the mailing list discussions, I think there is a key difference between the discussions of this topic cluster and many issues that have been discussed at similar or equal length on the mailing list. That is that a number of critical questions have been asked and asked repeatedly and never really answered. I hope and presume that is at least mostly because the questioners and those being asked have never quite understood each other about the questions and/or how the answers related to them. We've also seen extended email threads in which misunderstandings continue and get amplified rather than disappear; possibly this has been an example. For such situations, I don't know any substitute for a good interactive discussion in which artificial constraints are minimized. That is also important to your suggestion as to how to move forward because at least some of the questions about what happened and why are key to figuring out what should be done next and who should do it. Even if we take the recent notes and the draft SOW as given, a better mutual understanding is critical to answering some of the questions Ted posed in his note. best, john
- [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value of … Livingood, Jason
- Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value… Ted Lemon
- Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value… John C Klensin
- Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value… Susan Hares
- Re: [105attendees] Plenary & RSE - Maximize Value… Spencer Dawkins at IETF