Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Administrative Plenary Time Constraint: Must End by 21:00

"Aaron Falk" <aaron.falk@gmail.com> Wed, 24 July 2019 14:11 UTC

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From: "Aaron Falk" <aaron.falk@gmail.com>
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
Cc: "Paul Hoffman" <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>, ietf@ietf.org, 105attendees@ietf.org, IAB <iab@iab.org>, "The IESG" <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [105attendees] Agenda Bashing was Re: Administrative Plenary Time Constraint: Must End by 21:00
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I’m conflicted about this.  Time used for what might be speech-making 
from one person, could be a more nuanced point from another.  We keep 
saying we need to use our f2f time more efficiently.    Well, sometimes 
that means breadth and a lot of people providing quick input and it also 
can mean depth and giving folks enough time to say something clearly.  I 
think hard and fast rules like fixed time limits will prevent the latter 
(from both ends of the room).

YMMV, of course.

--aaron

On 24 Jul 2019, at 9:57, Salz, Rich wrote:

> I strongly agree with Paul.  A uniform time limit -- on both mic and 
> dais speakers -- is the only way to be fair. And the dais time-limit 
> should be total, otherwise a one-minute comment from the floor becomes 
> 10 minutes of response from the dais, which defeats the goal of 
> hearing community input.
>
> If that is, in fact, the goal.
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