[106attendees] temperature control and hotel contracts

Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> Tue, 19 November 2019 12:09 UTC

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> On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:16, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet=40consulintel.es@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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> Can we as IETF, have a stricter control of the usage of the AC in our venues, and make it a contractual requirement, showing that energy conservation is important for us, and we don’t want to have freeing rooms, especially in hot places where you try to avoid heavy clothes?

It's possible. But likely to be an unnecessary burden and complication for those who handle the meeting logistics. Where would this virtue signalling stop, Fairtrade locally-produced organic tofu snacks in the breaks? Windfarms to power the meeting's routers and access points? Hotels that only have stairs and no lifts or escalators?
 
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> If a venue is not able to match it, we should reconsider that venue for future meetings.

Most hotel chains already comply with certification schemes to reduce energy usage and minimise other environmental impacts. We should just trust them and their subject matter experts to get this right instead of trying to micro-manage implementation detail in areas that are beyond the competence of most IETF attendees.

> It is insane to waste energy and need to bring coats!

It is even more insane for hundreds of people to step into big metal tubes for several hours as they cross the planet at ~1000kph to arrive at wherever an IETF meeting is being held. Three times a year. That will be a much, much bigger "waste of energy" than some hotel's AC. Though I've not bothered to do the mental arithmetic to check.

How about you do your bit to save energy Jordi by staying at home and participating remotely instead of flying to 20+ industry meetings a year? :-)

> I rather prefer to have a “closer” temperature as the outdoor one (I’m not meaning be sweating),

What, like -10C when we go to Minneapolis in winter?

You might like IETF hotels to be as toasty as your home city. I do not. Finding an internal or external climate that keeps everyone happy is almost impossible. So IMO we just suck it up. Sometimes you'll be too cold. Sometimes I'll be too hot. Get over it. I have.