Re: [106attendees] Power strips ?

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Thu, 21 November 2019 07:12 UTC

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 15:12:31 +0800
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Subject: Re: [106attendees] Power strips ?
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I suspect venue isn’t going to allow power strips that aren’t approved in their country.  Too much legal and safety risks for them.

To me this would create a lot  of complexity and cost for the secretariat and the IETF.  Not really warranted.  My plug adapters work fine.

Bob


> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> 
> I was thiking that universal  power strips could be part of the IETF provided
> equipment like the access-point/networkin gear is. Not sure if there are
> to me unknown problems that would make this approach infeasible. I
> definitely think that getting universal power strips is not something
> you could leave up to each conference hotel right now unfortunately.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 06:12:19AM +0000, Jim Reid wrote:
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>>> On 21 Nov 2019, at 05:54, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hotels & conference centres vary in that: some charge significantly
>>> more to deploy *your* power strips than *theirs* -- one wonders why,
>>> but there it is.
>> 
>> This is just another of the many variables in the way venues charge for their space. If you squeeze them on the cost of snacks (or whatever), the venue will find some way to recover that elsewhere.
>> 
>> A venue generally decides how much money they'll collect for an event and no matter how the meeting organisers split out the line items in their budget, it will always add up to whatever was the venue's target amount. If they charge us more for using our power strips we might be getting cheaper/more coffee or something like that in exchange.
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