Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Sun, 02 August 2020 17:05 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: "David R. Oran" <daveoran@orandom.net>
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Dave, *:

I was NOT suggesting to use any more elaborate tooling than what you
would use when presenting live, such as this week via MeetEcho.

Of course, even when presenting live you should use a reasonable headset
to get reasonable audio without echo.

Oh, and when you record instead of presenting live, you do not even
need a reasonable Internet connection, but can upload at less than
realtime speed later on to youtube. This week some presenters did
not have good enough Interent connections and you could hear it.

Of course you will likely re-record a few times instead of talking once
when you are doing it live, but thats everybodies choice. I would argue
this self-enforced training helps everybody. Presenter and audience.

Do we need some simple HOWTO texts for the likely most easy local
tools to try this with on windows, macos, linus ? Sure, but that IMHO
should be the least of problems.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Sun, Aug 02, 2020 at 09:48:07AM -0400, David R. Oran wrote:
> On 2 Aug 2020, at 1:25, Ben Campbell wrote:
> 
> > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Aug 01, 2020 at 11:40:44AM -0700, Christian Huitema wrote:
> > > > The time zone was very difficult for me. The 7:00am sessions
> > > > were easy
> > > > enough. I thought that I could wake up at 3:30am for a 4:00am
> > > > session
> > > > (11:00 UTC), and I did that once. But then I needed 2 days to
> > > > recover,
> > > > probably because I am not 20 anymore. I wish we had a good way to
> > > > organize asynchronous conversations with higher bandwidth than
> > > > email,
> > > > but more time flexibility than video conferences.
> > > 
> > > I was suggesting on manycouches to encourage more use of
> > > pre-recorded video clips
> > > for all those parts of sessions where thats feasible. Watch them in
> > > your own time zone in the week before IETF. Reduces the amount of
> > > time
> > > we need synchronously during IETF week.
> > > 
> > > Of course: Seems to widely depend on the individual RG/WG whether
> > > such asynchronuous
> > > ToI is a larger or minor part of the time spent in the group.
> > > 
> > > Would be nice if meetecho had stats. If we accounted all the time
> > > where individual speakers talked for more than 2 minutes as better
> > > done
> > > via a pre-recorded clip, how much would that be ?
> > 
> > Recording video of even marginally useable quality is a huge undertaking
> > for most people. I suspect the percentage of IETF contributers that have
> > the skills, time, resources, and inclination to do so is small. A push
> > in this direction would create huge new barrier to participation. Sure,
> > we have a few people who are good at this, but that doesn???t mean
> > it???s easy.
> > 
> +10
> We just finished doing a recording of a one-minute introduction my wife
> needed for the publication of her latest book. It took parts of multiple
> days to prep, purchase of about $800 of equipment (studio lights, studio
> microphone, green screen) and switching equipment choice three times (iPad,
> iPhone11 for better camera, MACBook, and finally a professional Sony DLSR.
> Needed a couple of professional audio cables too).
> 
> We also learned that reading from a tele-prompter (there are free/cheap
> teleprompter apps for the iPad - who knew?!) requires a fair bit of
> training/practice, so after a few epic fails we gave up on that and she just
> memorized the whole thing. Reading from paper doesn???t cut it as the video
> shows your eyes darting up and down at times and sometimes pauses that need
> to get edited out.
> 
> It also generated a fair bit of stress, and the involvement of me, our son,
> and his girlfriend. Luckily, it only took about 5 takes to get a decent
> recording, and then about an hour of my time on iMovie to smooth out a few
> glitches.
> 
> Had it not been for COVID-19, we would have just hired somebody adept. At
> least now we???re well set up and have some experience for future stuff.
> 
> That was for one minute and no expectations of broadcast quality.
> 
> > IMO, If we have hopes of reducing synchronous time, we need to get
> > further away from the idea of ???presentations??? at all.  The old days
> > of reading drafts and discussing via email handled this better than we
> > do today (with the possible exception of groups that do most everything
> > in github.)
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Ben.
> > 
> > 
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> DaveO

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