[108attendees] Agenda aware meetecho - Re: Successful IETF 108

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Wed, 05 August 2020 11:51 UTC

Return-Path: <eckert@i4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77973A145F; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 04:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id osUC7h7OADid; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 04:51:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65B723A147F; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 04:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4098548019; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 13:50:49 +0200 (CEST)
Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 9ACC1440059; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 13:50:49 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 13:50:49 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, manycouches@ietf.org
Cc: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, 108attendees@ietf.org
Message-ID: <20200805115049.GJ62842@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
References: <f86a44a9-1f0e-9619-1a01-d2f9c98a756a@huitema.net> <20200802025924.GH1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <3C71AFFA-E6D5-446C-B20A-C35B1EB8FFDF@nostrum.com> <m2eeoog2fr.wl-randy@psg.com> <BY5PR11MB4337767597051839FE069836C14D0@BY5PR11MB4337.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <m2wo2fehuu.wl-randy@psg.com> <LO2P123MB21738E9CA388ED45F25072B9E64A0@LO2P123MB2173.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <fb7bd232-e946-a4cc-bc91-ca82fa582134@network-heretics.com> <7FDECF0F-D73C-4BE1-B096-4A11698FC5BC@tzi.org> <d04a7279-ee64-6c76-2bb8-02e9c8c07338@network-heretics.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <d04a7279-ee64-6c76-2bb8-02e9c8c07338@network-heretics.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/108attendees/DjiLVBrDAC9m1J_BAz4M4gIPLkM>
Subject: [108attendees] Agenda aware meetecho - Re: Successful IETF 108
X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/108attendees>, <mailto:108attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/108attendees/>
List-Post: <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:108attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees>, <mailto:108attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:51:36 -0000

Some suggestions for consideration, moving to manycouchees/tools-discuss
[please remove 108attendees before replyin to this email, sorry, IETF mailman hates Bcc]

On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 02:20:50PM -0400, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 8/4/20 12:21 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> > Managing transitions between aloha and central queue management would be a great feature.
> 
> That sounds about right to me, though I suspect it's the number of active
> participants that matters, more than the total number of participants.


IMHO one key problem is that the larger the group and/or the shorter the discussion
time frame, the worse the participation engagement from all but he most extroverted participants. 

For better participant engagement i think that more polling of the participants
would be good. And this could be put into meetecho and would make it go way
beyond what the average conferencing tool does. 

- Meetecho could become agenda aware: Most simple option would be to have each
  aenda slot be associated with one or more drafts.

- Standard questions could be automatically be posted to meetecho when chair clicks on
  next slot: "Have you read this draft" "what do you think" (some answers).

- specific questions with specific answer options could be activated by chairs,
  e.g.: "adoption", "ready for last call", ...
  answers could be given anonymous or with name
  (some questions anonymous answers of course do not make sense "who will review this draft until next IETF" ?)

- Of course, ideally slot-presenters should be able to propose questions as
  well. After all, those questions should be the key slide in the ideall only
  1 page presentation, but allowing chairs to acceppt those questions to then
  put them into meetecho so they can smoothly be called upon in meetecho when
  the session runs would allow to save a lot of time and help to poll the
  whole set of attendants a lot more and thus get better group participation.

Cheers
    Toerless