Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 04 August 2020 17:08 UTC

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On Aug 4, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> Can you explain how meetecho does not support removing microphone access?

Meetecho is clunky and unreliable. It was hard to even get to speak. The UX was terrible. Yes, you can cut the mic, but if you do, you’ve cut it. In zoom, I can mute someone who’s making noise when they shouldn’t be, I can see who’s making noise, I can un-mute them when they want to talk and can’t figure out the mute button, and I can see peoples’ faces to know that they want to talk when they are a bit shy. None of that is remotely possible with meetecho.