Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108

"David R. Oran" <> Sun, 02 August 2020 13:48 UTC

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On 2 Aug 2020, at 1:25, Ben Campbell wrote:

>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Toerless Eckert <> wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 01, 2020 at 11:40:44AM -0700, Christian Huitema wrote:
>>> The time zone was very difficult for me. The 7:00am sessions were 
>>> easy
>>> enough. I thought that I could wake up at 3:30am for a 4:00am 
>>> session
>>> (11:00 UTC), and I did that once. But then I needed 2 days to 
>>> recover,
>>> probably because I am not 20 anymore. I wish we had a good way to
>>> organize asynchronous conversations with higher bandwidth than 
>>> email,
>>> but more time flexibility than video conferences.
>> I was suggesting on manycouches to encourage more use of pre-recorded 
>> video clips
>> for all those parts of sessions where thats feasible. Watch them in
>> your own time zone in the week before IETF. Reduces the amount of 
>> time
>> we need synchronously during IETF week.
>> Of course: Seems to widely depend on the individual RG/WG whether 
>> such asynchronuous
>> ToI is a larger or minor part of the time spent in the group.
>> Would be nice if meetecho had stats. If we accounted all the time
>> where individual speakers talked for more than 2 minutes as better 
>> done
>> via a pre-recorded clip, how much would that be ?
> Recording video of even marginally useable quality is a huge 
> undertaking for most people. I suspect the percentage of IETF 
> contributers that have the skills, time, resources, and inclination to 
> do so is small. A push in this direction would create huge new barrier 
> to participation. Sure, we have a few people who are good at this, but 
> that doesn’t mean it’s easy.
We just finished doing a recording of a one-minute introduction my wife 
needed for the publication of her latest book. It took parts of multiple 
days to prep, purchase of about $800 of equipment (studio lights, studio 
microphone, green screen) and switching equipment choice three times 
(iPad, iPhone11 for better camera, MACBook, and finally a professional 
Sony DLSR. Needed a couple of professional audio cables too).

We also learned that reading from a tele-prompter (there are free/cheap 
teleprompter apps for the iPad - who knew?!) requires a fair bit of 
training/practice, so after a few epic fails we gave up on that and she 
just memorized the whole thing. Reading from paper doesn’t cut it as 
the video shows your eyes darting up and down at times and sometimes 
pauses that need to get edited out.

It also generated a fair bit of stress, and the involvement of me, our 
son, and his girlfriend. Luckily, it only took about 5 takes to get a 
decent recording, and then about an hour of my time on iMovie to smooth 
out a few glitches.

Had it not been for COVID-19, we would have just hired somebody adept. 
At least now we’re well set up and have some experience for future 

That was for one minute and no expectations of broadcast quality.

> IMO, If we have hopes of reducing synchronous time, we need to get 
> further away from the idea of “presentations” at all.  The old 
> days of reading drafts and discussing via email handled this better 
> than we do today (with the possible exception of groups that do most 
> everything in github.)
> Thanks,
> Ben.
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