Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool

"Joel M. Halpern" <> Fri, 10 July 2020 14:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool
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My first reaction is that a recordable list of hands is useful for a 
different problem that WGs also have.  When the chairs asks "who commits 
to reviewing and contributing to this" it is useful to be easily able to 
note the hands.  If a WG does not want to use humms, it is free not to. 
Different process pieces.  (In terms of judging support rather than 
active work for a draft, I don't see much value in taking names at the 
virtual meeting, since it still needs to be confirmed on the list.  I 
may be missing the case you are considering Chris.)


On 7/10/2020 6:08 AM, Christian Hopps wrote:
> Will there be a function that captures a non-anonymous raising of hands (like the email list or the in-person meeting)? Not all WGs use hums.
> Thanks,
> Chris.
>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Martin Duke <> wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Martin Duke <>
>> Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM
>> Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool
>> To: <>
>> The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the capability to conduct “virtual hums” in fully remote meetings. A software model model that shows the output for given numbers of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE].
>> Working Group chairs seeking “a sense of the room” are invited to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately requires confirmation on the email list.
>> The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows:
>> 	• A chair begins the hum in meetecho
>> 	• Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or not all
>> 	• At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo.
>> As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace this document.
>> The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO.
>> Regards,
>> Martin Duke
>> On behalf of the IESG
>> [I-D.duke]
>> [SHMOO]