Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 04 August 2020 16:34 UTC

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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 8/4/20 12:30 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:

> The irony is that the tools to do this have been available for years in e.g. Zoom, but we do not use Zoom—we use MeetEcho. We use MeetEcho (I presume) because they work hard for us making in-person meetings sort-of work for online attendees, but it’s nowhere near the state of the art for fully-online meetings. The fact that we continue to use unsuitable tools is a real and major cost.

There are lots of ways for a tool to be unsuitable, including presenting 
significant privacy and security risks to those who use it.

Keith