Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108

Toerless Eckert <> Tue, 04 August 2020 22:19 UTC

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I enjoy this discussion about our meeting communications culture.
I even agree with some of what was said.

I think we could get a lot closer to understand the reality of how
bad our meetings are if we had a feedback channel for participants
where they could simply press anonymously buttons to express opinions,
and then we look at stats.

here are a couple of buttons that could be quite popular.
participants to also click buttons..

[] I do not understand this
[] My question was not answered
[] I do not dare to ask for a better explanation
[] There was not enough time to finish an important point
[] The commenter on the mike does not understand the issue
[] I am getting confused by all the uncorrelated opinions
   expressed, can someone bring structure to this chaos
[] This was grandstanding
[] This was politically corect pandering

etc. pp.


On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 05:20:16PM -0400, Jeffrey Haas wrote:
> Ted,
> > On Aug 4, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Ted Lemon <> wrote:
> > 
> > I consider this a serious problem.  The point of getting together in realtime to have verbal discussions is that synergy happens when we do this. The best mic-line discussions are the ones where ideas are going back and forth between people quickly, not the mic lines where everybody gets to have their say, linearly. That???s just not how human beings best communicate.
> Communication is a scalability issue.
> The types of conversations that are good back and forth require a small enough set of people to have that naturally occur with people that play nice together.
> Scaling that a small level with a moderator, as you know, means the moderator is actively building sub groups for discussion.
> Once you've gotten over a certain size, you simply can't do that.  If you're in person, and you've got people that place nice while waiting in the mic line, people will bounce the mic amongst themselves.  But that's often at the cost of a narrow time window for verbal discussion to hit all of the people in the line and it can become unfair.
> IMO, you have to set your discussion style based on the scale of the conversation.  If you want serious back and forth, the timeslot in question should be mostly verbal and only a little slideware.  That's a chair problem.  The chair usually asks "how long do you need to present".  What is intended is "present... and take reasonable discussion?"
> -- Jeff

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