Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108

Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Sun, 02 August 2020 05:25 UTC

Return-Path: <ben@nostrum.com>
X-Original-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3673A0C92 for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 22:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.179
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.179 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tdUZ7JZcLEiq for <108attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 22:25:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32AB53A0C90 for <108attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 22:25:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from bens-macbook.lan (mta-70-120-123-175.stx.rr.com [70.120.123.175] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 0725PQXZ021749 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Aug 2020 00:25:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1596345929; bh=QbeqZL4ip8Swihc90X0wmHTiRuoK1q5EVP+/AdGGEZU=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=VBr163fhYWt9Deg/imhDlw2D8KnYKx4szVMyNMIWuYtG9VYQizKWjgsS5qsQdNdAm jp0fSGcS4bLzpnWfaMgk82j1JXvt36/nKbCrhIU3R4VkaFOKvbjeqdvDm6PS6Bracr Mn7I1/SdUzXSQfQTU8FSeZO57sOPabaKPkaa8ylc=
X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host mta-70-120-123-175.stx.rr.com [70.120.123.175] (may be forged) claimed to be bens-macbook.lan
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\))
From: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>
In-Reply-To: <20200802025924.GH1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 00:25:20 -0500
Cc: "108attendees@ietf.org" <108attendees@ietf.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <3C71AFFA-E6D5-446C-B20A-C35B1EB8FFDF@nostrum.com>
References: <DF9553CF-3B73-43C3-9BCF-5160A1949EC7@gmail.com> <3b9cc8e5-a9f2-cc44-8fc5-6b7649e43343@cs.tcd.ie> <392F9FEA-BA4A-4E57-B80D-D5B288B9887A@jisc.ac.uk> <f86a44a9-1f0e-9619-1a01-d2f9c98a756a@huitema.net> <20200802025924.GH1772@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/108attendees/nlCs-7FnFjeCPthzPd-2y0bGmIk>
Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108
X-BeenThere: 108attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 108 attendees <108attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/108attendees>, <mailto:108attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/108attendees/>
List-Post: <mailto:108attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:108attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees>, <mailto:108attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 05:25:53 -0000


> On Aug 1, 2020, at 9:59 PM, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Aug 01, 2020 at 11:40:44AM -0700, Christian Huitema wrote:
>> The time zone was very difficult for me. The 7:00am sessions were easy
>> enough. I thought that I could wake up at 3:30am for a 4:00am session
>> (11:00 UTC), and I did that once. But then I needed 2 days to recover,
>> probably because I am not 20 anymore. I wish we had a good way to
>> organize asynchronous conversations with higher bandwidth than email,
>> but more time flexibility than video conferences.
> 
> I was suggesting on manycouches to encourage more use of pre-recorded video clips
> for all those parts of sessions where thats feasible. Watch them in
> your own time zone in the week before IETF. Reduces the amount of time
> we need synchronously during IETF week.
> 
> Of course: Seems to widely depend on the individual RG/WG whether such asynchronuous
> ToI is a larger or minor part of the time spent in the group.
> 
> Would be nice if meetecho had stats. If we accounted all the time
> where individual speakers talked for more than 2 minutes as better done
> via a pre-recorded clip, how much would that be ?

Recording video of even marginally useable quality is a huge undertaking for most people. I suspect the percentage of IETF contributers that have the skills, time, resources, and inclination to do so is small. A push in this direction would create huge new barrier to participation. Sure, we have a few people who are good at this, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy.

IMO, If we have hopes of reducing synchronous time, we need to get further away from the idea of “presentations” at all.  The old days of reading drafts and discussing via email handled this better than we do today (with the possible exception of groups that do most everything in github.)

Thanks,

Ben.