Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool

"Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com> Thu, 09 July 2020 19:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [108attendees] Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool
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btw - I assume that this, like a hum, is is anonymous - all you get is aggregate volume and not, as Fred asks, vote totals or have any 
way to find out who hummed and who did not  - I also assume that if 1/10th of the people on the call (for lack of a better word) 
hummed loudly and no one else hummed at all the result would be very low volume (i.e. the volume is based on the total
# of people that could hum rather than on just those that did)

Scott

> On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:59 PM
> Subject: Introducing the Meetecho Virtual Hum tool
> To: <manycouches@ietf.org>
> 
> 
> The IESG and IETF LLC are working with the Meetecho team to add the capability to conduct “virtual hums” in fully remote meetings. A software model model that shows the output for given numbers of people humming is available for experimentation [TEST_SITE].
> 
> Working Group chairs seeking “a sense of the room” are invited to use this tool to help obtain it. As always, consensus ultimately requires confirmation on the email list.
> 
> The current implementation is based on a specification the IESG developed [I-D.duke]. Briefly, the workflow is as follows:
> 	• A chair begins the hum in meetecho
> 	• Participants have 20 seconds to hum loudly, softly, or not all
> 	• At the conclusion of the hum, Meetecho will report the approximate loudness of the hum, on the following increasing scale: niente, pianissimo, piano, forte, fortissimo.
> 
> As there is no IETF consensus that offline hums have specific flaws, the current specification seeks to reproduce the offline version as faithfully as possible. The SHMOO working group [SHMOO] might reach consensus on a different set of requirements in the future, and update or replace this document.
> 
> The community will have an opportunity to try out this tool at participant [PARTICIPANTS] and session chair [CHAIRS] training sessions beginning 15 July. Feedback is welcome on the manycouches mailing list. In particular, practical operational issues (e.g. bug reports, usability concerns, security weaknesses) and strong, unambiguous consensus for feature changes might be actionable prior to IETF 108. More contentious philosophical concerns are best left for long-term consideration by SHMOO.
> 
> Regards,
> Martin Duke
> On behalf of the IESG
> 
> [CHAIRS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-chair-guide/
> [I-D.duke] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/
> [PARTICIPANTS] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/108/session-participant-guide/
> [SHMOO] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/shmoo/documents/
> [TEST_SITE] https://jsfiddle.net/Jay_Daley/yqgr9pnb/
>