Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?

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Subject: Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?
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> In addition to chair bandwidth, screen real estate, etc., there
> is a more fundamental problem: with the current Meetecho setup,
> it has impossible (or, at least non-obvious) to have both the
> chat and participant frames open at the same time.    

You can detach the chat window into a separate window.


On 29.07.21, 15:10, "111attendees on behalf of John C Klensin" <111attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:



    --On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 12:12 -0500 Spencer Dawkins at
    IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

    >...
    > What I thought, was that chairs needed to be looking at the
    > mic queue. which by default is toggled with the chat window,
    > and might not have the screen real estate to detach the chat
    > in Meetecho, so you can move it to another part of your screen
    > (or another Display), or might not know you can detach the
    > chat window at all. If the chairs can see both (especially if
    > the meeting has more than one chair), ISTM that the chairs
    > would know about questions from jabber at the same time as
    > everyone else.

    In addition to chair bandwidth, screen real estate, etc., there
    is a more fundamental problem: with the current Meetecho setup,
    it has impossible (or, at least non-obvious) to have both the
    chat and participant frames open at the same time.    Without
    the latter open, and a good deal of screen real estate and
    attention to scrolling, it is not possible to see the queue or
    figure out who is speaking if the speaker is not transmitting
    video.  There are ways to solve the chat visibility part of the
    problem.  The speaker recognition problem could be solved by
    putting a small "now speaking"  line with a name somewhere near
    the top center (or bottom center) of the screen.   And, modulo
    those who need to be able to type rather than speak (as you
    noted in your follow-up), some of the rest of the problem could
    be solved by explaining to Meetecho who the official
    Jabber-wstcher is and letting them put others in the queue.

    <rant> Most of these suggestions have been made many times
    before.  At least my experience had been that back in the days
    when Meetecho was a trusted partner, these issues and the
    tradeoffs got discussed among knowledgeable people and were
    either implemented or, when rejected suggestions came up again,
    there were clear explanations of why they were infeasible or bad
    ideas.  I can't tell, but it certainly looks like we have
    slipped Meetecho into "just a contractor" mode with decisions
    being made by someone else, out of the view of those who would
    prefer to technical work in the IETF than monitor every
    administrative meeting and announcement and who obviously are
    not trying to use these tools to get the work of the IETF done.
    </rant>

        john





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