Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?
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From: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?
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> In addition to chair bandwidth, screen real estate, etc., there > is a more fundamental problem: with the current Meetecho setup, > it has impossible (or, at least non-obvious) to have both the > chat and participant frames open at the same time. You can detach the chat window into a separate window. On 29.07.21, 15:10, "111attendees on behalf of John C Klensin" <111attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: --On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 12:12 -0500 Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >... > What I thought, was that chairs needed to be looking at the > mic queue. which by default is toggled with the chat window, > and might not have the screen real estate to detach the chat > in Meetecho, so you can move it to another part of your screen > (or another Display), or might not know you can detach the > chat window at all. If the chairs can see both (especially if > the meeting has more than one chair), ISTM that the chairs > would know about questions from jabber at the same time as > everyone else. In addition to chair bandwidth, screen real estate, etc., there is a more fundamental problem: with the current Meetecho setup, it has impossible (or, at least non-obvious) to have both the chat and participant frames open at the same time. Without the latter open, and a good deal of screen real estate and attention to scrolling, it is not possible to see the queue or figure out who is speaking if the speaker is not transmitting video. There are ways to solve the chat visibility part of the problem. The speaker recognition problem could be solved by putting a small "now speaking" line with a name somewhere near the top center (or bottom center) of the screen. And, modulo those who need to be able to type rather than speak (as you noted in your follow-up), some of the rest of the problem could be solved by explaining to Meetecho who the official Jabber-wstcher is and letting them put others in the queue. <rant> Most of these suggestions have been made many times before. At least my experience had been that back in the days when Meetecho was a trusted partner, these issues and the tradeoffs got discussed among knowledgeable people and were either implemented or, when rejected suggestions came up again, there were clear explanations of why they were infeasible or bad ideas. I can't tell, but it certainly looks like we have slipped Meetecho into "just a contractor" mode with decisions being made by someone else, out of the view of those who would prefer to technical work in the IETF than monitor every administrative meeting and announcement and who obviously are not trying to use these tools to get the work of the IETF done. </rant> john -- 111attendees mailing list 111attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Carlos M. Martinez
- [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actual… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Sean Turner
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Yoav Nir
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Jonathan Hoyland
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- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Andrew G. Malis
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- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… John C Klensin
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Jay Daley
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Jay Daley
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Salz, Rich
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… John Levine
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… John C Klensin
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Jay Daley
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Toerless Eckert
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- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [111attendees] Re: So, what are jabber scribe… Jay Daley
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Jay Daley
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes ac… John R. Levine
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