Re: [111attendees] timing

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Thu, 29 July 2021 12:39 UTC

To: John Levine <ietf@johnlevine.com>, 111attendees@ietf.org
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From: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 14:39:43 +0200
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] timing
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Le 28/07/2021 à 23:14, John Levine a écrit :
> It appears that Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> 
> said:
>> 
>> 
>> Le 28/07/2021 à 15:41, Carsten Bormann a écrit :
>>> On 28. Jul 2021, at 15:31, Vittorio Bertola 
>>> <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> unless strong community consensus on a different practice 
>>>> appears.
>>> 
>>> s/unless/until/
>>> 
>>> Let’s get this going.
>> 
>> There is a difference in opposing noon start times and opposing UTC
>> references.  I oppose the latter.
>> 
>> Using UTC is a big source of errors: ...
> 
> I have to completely disagree.
> 
> In my experience, people's idea of what timezone they are in is 
> frequently wrong, even quite well educated people. Last year I had to
> explain to a Harvard Law student when the US time changed that EST 
> and EDT are different, and the only reliable way to tell students 
> from Asia what time an online class starts is to give them the UTC 
> time.

It easy for one person to tell many students a single time (UTC), but it
is difficult for each student to convert that to their particular case.

It is difficult for one person to make many conversions each dedicated
to a student; but that will make it easy for each student :-)

When that person wants to make many conversions then one person would
like to make direct conversions, without going to UTC, to make the task
just a little simpler.

It is difficult for the person to imagine all the students, and their
regions, that might come to the lecture, and where they might come from.
  The solution to that would be to reduce the number of time zones, or to
simplify them.

If we had simpler time zones then we'd see a shorter unfolding menu of
times in the IETF Agenda.

Alex

> 
> Here in the IETF we are spread across at least ten time zones that 
> have at least three different schedules for summer/winter time,
> along with several more that keep the same time all year.  The only 
> reliable way to tell us all when something happens is to tell us in 
> UTC.
> 
> R's, John
> 
>

[111attendees] timing Randy Bush
Re: [111attendees] timing Vittorio Bertola
Re: [111attendees] timing Carsten Bormann
Re: [111attendees] timing Randy Bush
Re: [111attendees] timing Toerless Eckert
Re: [111attendees] timing Mirja Kuehlewind
Re: [111attendees] timing Bob Hinden
Re: [111attendees] timing Alexandre Petrescu
Re: [111attendees] timing John Levine
Re: [111attendees] timing Carsten Bormann
Re: [111attendees] timing Toerless Eckert
Re: [111attendees] timing Chukwuka Odele
Re: [111attendees] timing Luigi IANNONE
Re: [111attendees] timing Chukwuka Odele
Re: [111attendees] timing Carlos M. Martinez
Re: [111attendees] timing Chukwuka Odele
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Re: [111attendees] timing Luigi IANNONE
Re: [111attendees] timing Salz, Rich
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Re: [111attendees] timing Pedro Martinez-Julia
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Re: [111attendees] timing Nigel Hickson
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Re: [111attendees] timing Pedro Martinez-Julia
Re: [111attendees] timing Carsten Bormann
Re: [111attendees] timing Carlos Marcelo Martinez Cagnazzo
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Re: [111attendees] timing Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [111attendees] timing Bron Gondwana
Re: [111attendees] timing Göran Selander
Re: [111attendees] timing Carsten Bormann
Re: [111attendees] timing Carsten Bormann
Re: [111attendees] timing Vasilenko Eduard
Re: [111attendees] timing Tero Kivinen
Re: [111attendees] timing Alexandre Petrescu
Re: [111attendees] timing Alexandre Petrescu
Re: [111attendees] timing Alexandre Petrescu
Re: [111attendees] timing Toerless Eckert
Re: [111attendees] timing Diego Dujovne
Re: [111attendees] timing Adnan Rashid
Re: [111attendees] timing Boris Khasanov
Re: [111attendees] timing Alexandre Petrescu
Re: [111attendees] timing Robert Moskowitz
Re: [111attendees] timing Alexandre Petrescu
Re: [111attendees] timing Robert Moskowitz
Re: [111attendees] timing Roman Shpount
Re: [111attendees] timing Youngkwon Lim
Re: [111attendees] timing Stewart Bryant
Re: [111attendees] timing John R. Levine
Re: [111attendees] timing Lars Eggert
Re: [111attendees] timing Carsten Bormann
Re: [111attendees] timing Carsten Bormann
Re: [111attendees] timing Christian Amsüss
Re: [111attendees] timing Carsten Bormann
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Re: [111attendees] timing Larry Masinter
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