Re: [111attendees] The joyful benefits of (hybrid) F2F meetings (was: test)

Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> Fri, 23 July 2021 16:23 UTC

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> Dedicated attention to work

Bob,

that's exactly one of the major points (next to that "real" 
side-meetings work differently). Officially, I am on a business trip 
next week. It simply would not work otherwise.

Speaking to Dave's comment on TZ adjustment. It is now Europe's turn to 
pretend to be at the west coast (9pm-3am for me in UTC+2). Let's see how 
that feels like, when daylight and jetlag are out-of-sync.

Viele Grüße,

henk


On 23.07.21 17:48, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> And is the IETF schedule time shift a pain.
> 
> I tell my family, I am 'working' from 3pm - 9pm next week.  Do not 
> disturb; I will squeeze dinner in there somehow.
> 
> Oh, but all the other groups are still having their meetings 9am - 5pm, 
> and I have to attend them.  So a 12 hour day.  We do such things away in 
> hotels at the conferences, but at home, the families don't get it.
> 
> 2 advantages of F2F:  Face-to-face.  Dedicated attention to work.
> 
> With some time to 'play' in the lobby and elsewhere!
> 
> On 7/23/21 11:30 AM, David Brown wrote:
>> Even corporately, for someone like myself, where my IETF participation 
>> is just a small part of my job. It isn't too difficult to justify the 
>> small charge for online participation. Once travel is factored in, the 
>> in-person participation becomes much more difficult to justify. This 
>> is the main reason that I've only been able to participate, so far, 
>> online. I've appreciated how much better that works for me, with these 
>> ones where everyone is on line.
>>
>> Online is challenging when there is a drastic timezone difference. 
>> With on-site travel, it is easier to adapt, since everything around 
>> you is in the new timezone. It doesn't work so well with remote 
>> participation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:08 AM Marie-Jose Montpetit 
>> <marie@mjmontpetit.com <mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Another aspect that needs some thoughts is cost.
>>
>>     In person participation even if you live in an Airbnb, a 2* hotel
>>     or with friends and not at the 5* IETF hotels (even at reduced
>>     rates) is a major monetary investment. If we want go get more
>>     people involved this has to be in the equation. I am IRTF of
>>     course but to get more academic participation the economics are
>>     part of it.
>>
>>     But there is more: participants without corporate accounts (see
>>     costs above), with family or teaching obligations or with other
>>     issues have always participated remotely. So we can just extend it?
>>
>>     And while I really want to start seeing you guys again we need to
>>     be realistic.
>>
>>     mjm
>>
>>     Marie-Jose Montpetit, Ing. Ph.D.
>>     marie@mjmontpetit.com <mailto:marie@mjmontpetit.com>