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Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Thu, 29 July 2021 13:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?
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On 2021-07-29, at 15:09, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> 
> impossible (or, at least non-obvious) to have both the
> chat and participant frames open at the same time.  

It’s much worse: You can’t have the important part of the participant frame (who is speaking) open at the same time you scroll for a potential attendee.
Fortunately, there is the jabber entry/exit trace…

The important part of the participant frame (who is speaking, are the chairs present, what is the queue — IN THAT ORDER) needs to be visible at all time.  But I’d rather have that, the participant list, and the chat visible all three, somewhere on the vast amounts of blank space that meetecho leaves on my window.

Grüße, Carsten

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