Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?

John C Klensin <> Thu, 29 July 2021 22:21 UTC

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--On Friday, July 30, 2021 07:43 +1200 Jay Daley <>

>> On 30/07/2021, at 7:32 AM, Carsten Bormann <>
>> wrote:
>> On 29. Jul 2021, at 21:21, Jay Daley <
>> <>> wrote:
>>> You can detach the chat window so that it is always visible.
>> No, I can't.  The detached window is a separate browser
>> window.  When I move that to some of the blank space on the
>> main window (there is plenty of that), it vanishes behind
>> that main window each time I interact with it.  So I
>> essentially have to press the same number of buttons as
>> before.
> Umm … have you tried having the two windows side by side?


I tried to explain this earlier and I don't know anything about
Chasten's situation and setup, but "put two windows side by
side" can imply, for at least some people "make the Meetecho one
small enough to make it unreadable".   The present setup in
RFCEFDP is a perfect example.  I also just noticed that, if the
MEETECHO window is shrunk significantly from the sides, that
central area with the slides / editing window disappears.

This is related, too, to your "don't need to scroll" program.
True if one is using Meetecho in more or less standard layout.
But, if one needs to fuss with the window size or position in
order to see and there are three or four people in queue, I get
myself, the queue, the chairs, and maybe one participant before
I need to start scrolling.    Or I can scroll down and set the
framing to see a few participants (including a speaker or two
who are having active discussion (like you and Peter as I'm
writing this) but then the queue is invisible unless I scroll
back up.

Perfectly reasonable for you to conclude that these are my
personal and private issues (although I don't think that would
be correct) and that there is no need for you, Meetecho, or the
community to be concerned, but then we might need to have a
conversation about diversity and reasonable accommodations.