Re: [111attendees] test

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Fri, 23 July 2021 04:42 UTC

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--On Thursday, July 22, 2021 17:03 -0700 Randy Bush
<randy@psg.com> wrote:

>> I hate to put a damper on things, but I doubt that Madrid
>> will happen - the global vaccination numbers aren't going up
>> fast enough, the infection rate trend line is going in the
>> wrong direction, etc.
> 
> with the pools of fools and the tragic lack of distribution to
> the poorer economies, i fear we will be in this for years,
> variants, ...

Sadly, I tend to agree.  I also suggest that, whenever that
period seems to expire at the chosen location(s) we will be
dealing with hybrid meetings with very high numbers of remote
participants in addition to whatever is determined to be the
minimum of in-person ones.  Based on non-IETF experience, such
meetings are much more difficult to run successfully and have do
successful work than than [almost[ all f2f or [almost] all
remote/online ones, so I hope planning starts well in advance
rather than only after a decision is made to try a nominally f2f
meeting.

> randy, a known epidemiology expert :)

 --john. 
   a card-carrying statistician who has hung around with
epidemiologists as well as epidemiology experts and occasionally
plays one on television)