Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?

Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com> Thu, 29 July 2021 15:43 UTC

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From: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?
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Toerless, not sure what you mean: we have a fee waiver option for free participation, which is probably the most comfortable option if you want to actively participate.

However, if you are only on the live  audio stream  and jabber, or don't want to use your audio for any reason, e.g. because of technical problems or limitations, so far people didn't had problems to find someone to relay comments; it's just the case that we need this less often because remote participants can now much easier actively participate themselves.


On 28.07.21, 20:54, "111attendees on behalf of Toerless Eckert" <111attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:

    So, i am trying to sort this stuff:

    Q: Is it correct to assume that by now someone who is ONLY on jabber,
    but not on meetecho has no reasonable expectation to participate in the
    meeting becaus we have gotten rid of the "free" remote-only attendance,
    and that is what we originally (AFAIK) had the jabber scribe function for.

    Thee can be participants with audio send challenges that want to have thier
    question relayed through the meetecho chat/jabber. That is a really
    nice to have, but i think it is SHOULD, so i think it should be sufficient
    to mention it this way during chair slides, but not mandate an official
    function for this.

    The ability for chairs to multitask all relevant functions present heavily
    on the use of the "present uploaded slides" instead of screen-share. If
    i am presenting slides as a chair from my notebook for a presenter, it
    nees to be full-screen so it does not help to have multiple windows i
    can not see. If i had a second screen on my notebook that might solve it.
    But it would really be nice if one could join to the same session from
    more than one computer (2nd notebook to monitor meetecho chat/queue).

    The new upload slides feaure is cool though, and works pretty well!

    Cheers
        Toerless

    On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 02:41:25PM -0400, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
    > Bob,
    > 
    > Thanks, I'll have to try that out!
    > 
    > Cheers,
    > Andy
    > 
    > 
    > On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 2:40 PM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
    > 
    > > Andy,
    > >
    > > > On Jul 28, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Spencer,
    > > >
    > > > I chaired a session yesterday. I had a separate jabber session up on a
    > > second screen (using a jabber client, not Meetecho) while I was running the
    > > slides and the queue in Meetecho on my main screen. I also had a co-chair
    > > monitoring the chat while I ran everything else. Kind of clucky that you
    > > need a separate screen to see everything simultaneously, but the Meetecho
    > > interface would probably need a major redesign to fit both the queue and
    > > the chat simultaneously.
    > >
    > > Meetecho has a feature where you can move the chat to a separate window.
    > >  It’s been there for a while.   This allows you to watch and the queue at
    > > the same time.
    > >
    > > Bob
    > >
    > > >
    > > > Getting back to your original question, I suspect that once we're back
    > > to in-person meetings (or hybrid meetings where the chairs are local to the
    > > session), the need for an in-person jabber reporter (if not scribe) will
    > > return. With multiple chairs, a co-chair could take the role of jabber
    > > reporter. Given that everyone remote now has complete access to the in-room
    > > audio and video, I suspect that we no longer need a full-blown scribe
    > > taking notes as the meeting progresses.
    > > >
    > > > Cheers,
    > > > Andy
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 1:19 PM Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
    > > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > > Hi, Jonathan,
    > > >
    > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:08 PM Jonathan Hoyland <
    > > jonathan.hoyland@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > > One key thing they are doing is speaking for people for whom meetings
    > > are at 02:00am, and who don't wish to wake their families.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks! That's helpful information. I do think it's helpful to have a
    > > way to communicate into the meeting by typing.
    > > >
    > > > I did ask in my follow-up a few minutes ago whether chairs can actually
    > > watch jabber in Meetecho, given enough screen space to detach the chat, or
    > > whether they need someone who can pay closer attention.
    > > >
    > > > Best,
    > > >
    > > > Spencer
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