Re: [111attendees] timing

Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com> Wed, 28 July 2021 14:47 UTC

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From: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
CC: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, "111attendees@ietf.org" <111attendees@ietf.org>, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] timing
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There is a draft:

https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-01.html

And this will be discussed later today in the shmoo meeting. We will upload the slides with more background info soon.

Mirja



On 28.07.21, 16:04, "111attendees on behalf of Toerless Eckert" <111attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:

    I think your "in other words" is simplifying it a bit too much.

    My reading of the consensus of the active community deciding (mostly
    through manycouches/shmoo and IETF leadership) seems to be
    that one rather sticks to a very static setup that is known to create
    more suffering for more participants than instead to try to optimize
    in a way that would make a mayority more comfortable but may create
    more pain in a numeric minority.

    As the FAQ states, i think this could easily be changed if just a large
    enough number of IETF participants would chime into the actual discussion
    on manycouches/shmoo, write a draft, and get at least one spporter/contributor
    from every timezone hawaii to new zealand to support it. That should
    move the needle.

    I think to remember that that minority from New Zealand for example was not
    too unhappy about this IETF timing. Compared to one that would have made
    europeans more happy.

    Cheers
        Toerless

    On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 03:31:20PM +0200, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
    > 
    > 
    > > Il 28/07/2021 15:18 Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> ha scritto:
    > > 
    > >  
    > > ok, i gotta ask.  i probably just missed the discussion.
    > > 
    > > why the heck does the meeting start at noon pacific as opposed to seven
    > > or eight in the morning?  is this an intentional attack on both asia and
    > > europe in one swell foop.
    > 
    > It's a FAQ, and the answer is: because our first fully virtual meeting in the 5-day-6-hour format (IETF 108) started at noon "local" time, and our leadership (not sure who) concluded that changing this practice for any of the subsequent virtual meetings to make things easier for certain timezones would be unfair to those who had suffered due to this practice in earlier virtual meetings, so we're sticking with it forever, unless strong community consensus on a different practice appears.
    > 
    > In other words: yes, it is intentional to make Europeans suffer a lot this time, because they haven't been suffering much in past virtual meetings. So, apologies for my garbled spoken English at 2:40am :-)
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