Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?

"Andrew G. Malis" <> Wed, 28 July 2021 18:38 UTC

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 14:37:58 -0400
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?
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I chaired a session yesterday. I had a separate jabber session up on a
second screen (using a jabber client, not Meetecho) while I was running the
slides and the queue in Meetecho on my main screen. I also had a co-chair
monitoring the chat while I ran everything else. Kind of clucky that you
need a separate screen to see everything simultaneously, but the Meetecho
interface would probably need a major redesign to fit both the queue and
the chat simultaneously.

Getting back to your original question, I suspect that once we're back to
in-person meetings (or hybrid meetings where the chairs are local to the
session), the need for an in-person jabber reporter (if not scribe) will
return. With multiple chairs, a co-chair could take the role of jabber
reporter. Given that everyone remote now has complete access to the in-room
audio and video, I suspect that we no longer need a full-blown scribe
taking notes as the meeting progresses.


On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 1:19 PM Spencer Dawkins at IETF <> wrote:

> Hi, Jonathan,
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:08 PM Jonathan Hoyland <
>> wrote:
>> One key thing they are doing is speaking for people for whom meetings are
>> at 02:00am, and who don't wish to wake their families.
> Thanks! That's helpful information. I do think it's helpful to have a way
> to communicate into the meeting by typing.
> I did ask in my follow-up a few minutes ago whether chairs can actually
> watch jabber in Meetecho, given enough screen space to detach the chat, or
> whether they need someone who can pay closer attention.
> Best,
> Spencer
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