Re: [111attendees] test

Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson@dcms.gov.uk> Fri, 23 July 2021 13:33 UTC

Return-Path: <nigel.hickson@dcms.gov.uk>
X-Original-To: 111attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 111attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898AF3A1CA9 for <111attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.161
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.161 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.452, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FROM_GOV_DKIM_AU=-0.612, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=dcms.gov.uk
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s2tVNB3vXbcr for <111attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 06:33:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398C93A1CA1 for <111attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 06:33:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id n6so1690281ljp.9 for <111attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 06:33:13 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dcms.gov.uk; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eS/lfxo4nFVcJJHHAL+uPlcf6qHnQvdV+t56XKRf8cQ=; b=cSikRmYXYpNA0UkEfI7pdCp7M1kkuASLYIosOPsnMhz9oZVt5zZxnb8YBsUjurgW7e sSEIjgvnR4MFOFauv2M+s1Gl4tmJRFZ7qJLJNutlyNQR67Sa6mHkQnAei4JZqN8wcErO YKHeVI6wnLoOUw0mVVPNxwfYfieKrDogO0DtMp2vQzDq6sTxMwj97o91ko5Oq3nvYykd 4pcj2afZqLPvSarn2k7N1CJT5Y8DUpHJ9VQMK6Oz3grx6xQu4iQpI/wOBUrLX0EslVLk +n7AWDCblTfLJByPbua9Y6qv1bRc0OvxN6U+f0L4aubxyHkSTuWgc7laiGLvViiY1d+a Eo4Q==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eS/lfxo4nFVcJJHHAL+uPlcf6qHnQvdV+t56XKRf8cQ=; b=CJKc4zGhXDznHQesCoGW4lAdoJkzopgjlDbvMm34ziuKHPixEtTW4txBR4+F0dKxUy EM4+Ufq/SbjeezgA7WC+ttgzeg54ehb2tg1VfcFzD38PipYWG9n64+n0Gg5pvNV/uGAX pMschEAVPaHuoqho6V5zRPPR66vbrRvMt6vWHt+9XOjIGGqVhnERJa1kGb/Q6zRO6hp9 mxtBu0CIX9ZgDF7xzdpCNL8/UFFwJHE102xDh+nqlgTBonjtsjvG09pc4vEUHvVL/oeU s60yyryp9vcFd+16q0XXro4By7RgctTHmj05e+wp4DUwV/K2En5QvgJvJZkfURQqWjqR VItg==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Uh9hvDuDHsnpG0OPPBuK3ZZCpquUSsP412ridsE77EYEXpGS6 ez0Vy83hS7nWAiuIuXP8bnv1aVPJgBEqu4QFvUNEBA==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzc4C24PBPWRgUiadNbM/RPzA48frzQ5lXm7GLmQEfBcx2GQTdwVFOdACR99VA0lWVMM5FUXlLrmscE5UQ1zr8=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:626:: with SMTP id k38mr3236749lje.304.1627047191188; Fri, 23 Jul 2021 06:33:11 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <c211bfe6-0ffb-b4d8-a3b8-840ab9ee0368@gmail.com> <af8652ed-179a-78d5-eb47-02302ba5e5c2@labs.htt-consult.com> <F7AA1B7F-23E8-48FB-B89B-AB2DAF1F1F8A@gmail.com> <CAAm_rSJcKNJchYt2_CEwBFQapQ3bDfbPXrJQkHQnsKW2i193Dw@mail.gmail.com> <ecad2565-6447-2065-53c6-f46d55666888@nthpermutation.com> <m2wnphq4ko.wl-randy@psg.com> <758515384.164289.1627031655741@appsuite-gw1.open-xchange.com> <0043DCA8-C794-4146-AC2A-F1600ACA2D98@tzi.org> <20210723132655.GI57276@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
In-Reply-To: <20210723132655.GI57276@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
From: Nigel Hickson <nigel.hickson@dcms.gov.uk>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 14:32:45 +0100
Message-ID: <CAAm_rSL76fwHV0KX4fzpiZ2Rj-Y4Gp=_sfX7-PiTVNAEbRckCw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, 111attendees@ietf.org, Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dd3f5305c7ca7136"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/111attendees/aw3cwe9pP48_8ikAxOi9iik2FVw>
Subject: Re: [111attendees] test
X-BeenThere: 111attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Mailing list for IETF 111 attendees <111attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/111attendees>, <mailto:111attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/111attendees/>
List-Post: <mailto:111attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:111attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees>, <mailto:111attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:33:20 -0000

Good afternoon

Really good points re "hybrid"; this approach always being contemplated for
IGF, will be very interesting to see how it works.

best

Nigel


On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 14:27, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:

>
> I don't think this particular challenge (mixed online/in-person)
> has really been getting enough attention.
>
> I for once think that it will only work well if the in-person
> meeting part would require attendees even when being together
> in a room to use their notebooks for discussions instead
> of having a physical line at a single microphone, so that
> there is more fairness between local and remote, but that
> was never really discussed on manycouches or
> picked up their documents. Yet i did hear it repeatedly
> as a suggestion from other IEF'er that had to atend
> remotely even before covid.
>
> Cheers
>     Toerless
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:23:42AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> > On 2021-07-23, at 11:14, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=
> 40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd rather settle for "let the people who can and want meet in person,
> as long as there are enough of them to make a meeting viable”.
> >
> > … and that, of course, means that this localized gathering is then
> jointly joining the global online meeting, and not the other way around.
> > The tail/dog thing.
> > Once that really works, we can more aggressively fall back to multiple
> regional hubs, until global traveling gets easier again.
> >
> > Grüße, Carsten
> >
> > --
> > 111attendees mailing list
> > 111attendees@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees
>
> --
> ---
> tte@cs.fau.de
>
> --
> 111attendees mailing list
> 111attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees
>