Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive observations and proposals for improvements to Meetecho (was: Re: Re: So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?)

gang Antgam <antgamgang@gmail.com> Mon, 02 August 2021 22:26 UTC

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 02:55:52 +0430
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive observations and proposals for improvements to Meetecho (was: Re: Re: So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?)
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در تاریخ دوشنبه ۲ اوت ۲۰۲۱،‏ ۱:۱۲ Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> نوشت:

>
>
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 1:38 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com> wrote:
>>     > *a "temporary mute" mode that keeps the audio stream open:*
>>
>>     > This is still an issue for me.  I often mute myself while chairing
>> so I
>>     > can take notes without my keyboard sound interrupting the chat -
>> but it
>>     > means that I can't easily respond to somebody because the rejigging
>> of
>>     > the audio channel not only creates a hiccup in the incoming audio
>> feed
>>     > which means I might miss something someone says, but it also creates
>>     > enough of a delay that by the time I could have responded the other
>>     > party's mental state has moved on.
>>
>> Yes, the 3s on/off latency on the audio is a problem.
>> So one should use a local mute instead, which of course, then causes
>> confusion.
>>
>
> Actually, this is not necessary. WebRTC contains APIs which allow you to
> mute
> the media locally. The delay in Meetecho is a result of the decision to
> release
> the MediaStream which then needs to be re-acquired, which is not what
> Meet, Zoom, etc. do.
>
> -Ekr
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