Re: [111attendees] test
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 23 July 2021 14:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] test
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Fundamentally the problem with mixed attendance is that it's possible to feel like you are having a successful meeting when it's not at all successful for the remote attendees. In order for there to be parity, it has to be the case that a failure of the remote service stops people from meeting in person. Which is hard to do, since the people who are there in person can just talk amongst each other regardless of what the official policy may be. Hybrid meetings failed in the past because there was no collective discipline to operate in this way. There was a great deal of generous volunteer support for online participants in in-person meetings, and so it was sometimes possible to have a successful meeting, but we were depending heavily on the kindness and mindfulness of in-person participants, and it didn't consistently work out. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:35 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> wrote: > The single line mike could be upgraded with a cam, just like at the > presentation point. this adds cost over, you can't speak in the room > unless you do it from your notebook/tablet/phone (chaos!)... > > Then the queue management is the mike(s) and online hands-raised. > > Or some such. > > On 7/23/21 9:26 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > I don't think this particular challenge (mixed online/in-person) > has really been getting enough attention. > > I for once think that it will only work well if the in-person > meeting part would require attendees even when being together > in a room to use their notebooks for discussions instead > of having a physical line at a single microphone, so that > there is more fairness between local and remote, but that > was never really discussed on manycouches or > picked up their documents. Yet i did hear it repeatedly > as a suggestion from other IEF'er that had to atend > remotely even before covid. > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:23:42AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On 2021-07-23, at 11:14, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > I'd rather settle for "let the people who can and want meet in person, as long as there are enough of them to make a meeting viable”. > > … and that, of course, means that this localized gathering is then jointly joining the global online meeting, and not the other way around. > The tail/dog thing. > Once that really works, we can more aggressively fall back to multiple regional hubs, until global traveling gets easier again. > > Grüße, Carsten > > -- > 111attendees mailing list111attendees@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees > > > -- > Standard Robert Moskowitz > Owner > HTT Consulting > C: 248-219-2059 > F: 248-968-2824 > E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets > the credit > > -- > 111attendees mailing list > 111attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees >
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- Re: [111attendees] test Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [111attendees] test ANURAG VIJAY AGRAWAL
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- Re: [111attendees] test ANURAG VIJAY AGRAWAL
- Re: [111attendees] test Ujjwal Sharma
- Re: [111attendees] test Alexandre Petrescu
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- Re: [111attendees] test Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [111attendees] test Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [111attendees] test Carsten Bormann
- Re: [111attendees] test STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [111attendees] test Toerless Eckert
- Re: [111attendees] test Toerless Eckert
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- Re: [111attendees] test Carlos M. Martinez
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- Re: [111attendees] building up interaction credit… Carsten Bormann
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- Re: [111attendees] test Toerless Eckert
- Re: [111attendees] test Nigel Hickson
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- Re: [111attendees] [Ext] Re: test Paul Muchene
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- Re: [111attendees] test Ted Lemon
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- Re: [111attendees] test Ted Lemon
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- Re: [111attendees] The joyful benefits of (hybrid… Henk Birkholz
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- [111attendees] future hybrid meeting discuss (was… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [111attendees] test John C Klensin
- Re: [111attendees] multisite remote hybrid meetin… Diego Dujovne
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- Re: [111attendees] Hybrid meetings (was: Re: test) Lars Eggert
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