Re: [111attendees] test
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Fri, 23 July 2021 14:45 UTC
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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Ted: Everything you are concerned about will IMHO have complete different (not necessarily better, just different) outcomes when we would have only 300 on-site attendees and 800 remote. For example, i already notice that there is often a lot of side discussions on chat. Sometimes good, sometimes derailing. This will definitely become a lot more with a 300/700 split. How to get the most out of that ? At minimum i am thinking to start interjecting such chats with comments like "interesting thought, would you mind making that clean & pithy and add it to the etherpad notes if you don;t bring it up on the mike". Or publishing the chat at the end of the etherpad minutes ? And yes, i do still worry about remote audio quality. Cheers Toerless On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 07:10:39AM -0700, Ted Lemon wrote: > Fundamentally the problem with mixed attendance is that it's possible to > feel like you are having a successful meeting when it's not at all > successful for the remote attendees. In order for there to be parity, it > has to be the case that a failure of the remote service stops people from > meeting in person. Which is hard to do, since the people who are there in > person can just talk amongst each other regardless of what the official > policy may be. > > Hybrid meetings failed in the past because there was no collective > discipline to operate in this way. There was a great deal of generous > volunteer support for online participants in in-person meetings, and so it > was sometimes possible to have a successful meeting, but we were depending > heavily on the kindness and mindfulness of in-person participants, and it > didn't consistently work out. > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:35 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> > wrote: > > > The single line mike could be upgraded with a cam, just like at the > > presentation point. this adds cost over, you can't speak in the room > > unless you do it from your notebook/tablet/phone (chaos!)... > > > > Then the queue management is the mike(s) and online hands-raised. > > > > Or some such. > > > > On 7/23/21 9:26 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > I don't think this particular challenge (mixed online/in-person) > > has really been getting enough attention. > > > > I for once think that it will only work well if the in-person > > meeting part would require attendees even when being together > > in a room to use their notebooks for discussions instead > > of having a physical line at a single microphone, so that > > there is more fairness between local and remote, but that > > was never really discussed on manycouches or > > picked up their documents. Yet i did hear it repeatedly > > as a suggestion from other IEF'er that had to atend > > remotely even before covid. > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:23:42AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > On 2021-07-23, at 11:14, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > I'd rather settle for "let the people who can and want meet in person, as long as there are enough of them to make a meeting viable”. > > > > … and that, of course, means that this localized gathering is then jointly joining the global online meeting, and not the other way around. > > The tail/dog thing. > > Once that really works, we can more aggressively fall back to multiple regional hubs, until global traveling gets easier again. > > > > Grüße, Carsten > > > > -- > > 111attendees mailing list111attendees@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees > > > > > > -- > > Standard Robert Moskowitz > > Owner > > HTT Consulting > > C: 248-219-2059 > > F: 248-968-2824 > > E: rgm@labs.htt-consult.com > > > > There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets > > the credit > > > > -- > > 111attendees mailing list > > 111attendees@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees > > > -- > 111attendees mailing list > 111attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/111attendees -- --- tte@cs.fau.de
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