Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive observations and proposals for improvements to Meetecho (was: Re: Re: So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?)

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 04 August 2021 01:26 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 20:25:31 -0500
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] [Tools-discuss] Positive observations and proposals for improvements to Meetecho (was: Re: Re: So, what are jabber scribes actually doing, these days?)
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Hi, Alessandro,

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 9:37 AM Meetecho IETF support <ietf@meetecho.com>
wrote:

> Hi Marc,
>
> while the TTS suggestion is interesting and worth exploring, in the
> short run I think it might be worth revamping the custom recording
> player we had in the past, which integrated the YouTube video, the
> Jabber logs and also the audio transcripts automatically generated by
> YouTube. See for instance:
>
>
> https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF106-DISPATCH-20191118-1000
>

I'm sending Meetecho more email in the past 24 hours than in the previous
24 months. But YES YES YES! The audio transcript was the part that I
couldn't remember!

Having spent a LOT of time wandering through Jabber conversations for
several years, including a couple of working group sessions where the
Jabber scribe was asked to say at the Mic:, "you folks should probably be
in Jabber, because that's where the REAL meeting is going on" (😉, and I'm
not naming names), I often find the side conversations incredibly helpful,
but Context Also Matters, so seeing someone make a terse comment in Jabber
that is synchronized with the video is helpful, while the same comment in
isolation is at best confusing, and often not useful at all.

The audio transcript is better than we have any right to expect for most
things except technical terms and proper names. But when someone is
speaking at speed, there have been times when I was checking minutes
against the video, and it was still difficult to parse, so anything I could
dig out of the audio transcript helps!

Please do think about this in more depth. Some of us liked that ...

Best,

Spencer