Re: [111attendees] timing

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From: Youngkwon Lim <young.l@samsung.com>
To: Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com>, Chukwuka Odele <chukwukaodele@gmail.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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In a SDO I’m working for has chosen the 2nd best options to everybody. As there is no best time slot everyone in the world are in working hour, they have chosen a way to spread pain to everybody. The have recommended to have a meeting at 5:00, 13:00, 21:00 UTC for up to two hours which makes no one needs to wake up during core sleeping hours, about 2am to 5am. After several meetings, it has been turned out a reasonable choices. My two cents.

Sincerely,
Young.

From: 111attendees <111attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz
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Subject: Re: [111attendees] timing


On 7/28/21 5:27 PM, Chukwuka Odele wrote:
Hello


You guys shouldn’t be complaining about the timing for any of the events.  At all.


I live in Africa and mosts of the events takes place just after my working hours and/or at night time when I’m supposed to be sleeping after work.

This is why each IETF is in a different region with different times to share the pain.  For IETF109 I worked 3rd shift.  Up at night had breakfast and went to bed.




But I still have to stay awake.


And more over, I have power outages issues but I’m not complaining.you peeps abroad have 24/7 power supply.

Major storm Saturday evening prior and I was basically without power for ~44hr.  Borrowed my brother-in-law's generator to run important things in the house while waiting for a crew to fix our neighborhood.  So I got a small taste of what you go through regularly.



I have to power up my generator which uses a lot of petrol.

Pls no one should complain about timing or what have you, please.

+1




Thanks.

Best,
Chuks.

On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 10:19 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org<mailto:cabo@tzi.org>> wrote:
>
>> Using UTC is a big source of errors: ...
>
> I have to completely disagree.

+1

NOT using UTC is a big source of errors. (FTFY)

But this is totally unrelated to the issue at hand.

Grüße, Carsten

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