Re: [111attendees] test

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Fri, 23 July 2021 13:27 UTC

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:26:55 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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I don't think this particular challenge (mixed online/in-person)
has really been getting enough attention.

I for once think that it will only work well if the in-person
meeting part would require attendees even when being together
in a room to use their notebooks for discussions instead
of having a physical line at a single microphone, so that
there is more fairness between local and remote, but that
was never really discussed on manycouches or
picked up their documents. Yet i did hear it repeatedly
as a suggestion from other IEF'er that had to atend
remotely even before covid.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:23:42AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On 2021-07-23, at 11:14, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I'd rather settle for "let the people who can and want meet in person, as long as there are enough of them to make a meeting viable”.
> 
> … and that, of course, means that this localized gathering is then jointly joining the global online meeting, and not the other way around.
> The tail/dog thing.
> Once that really works, we can more aggressively fall back to multiple regional hubs, until global traveling gets easier again.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
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