Re: [111attendees] timing

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Thu, 29 July 2021 15:22 UTC

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Le 29/07/2021 à 02:36, Phillip Hallam-Baker a écrit :
> The daylight savings time fetish is really quite weird. Claims are
> made about the amount of money/ time will be saved that invariably
> turn out to be references to other predictions.
> 
> Such studies invariably make claim to 'the farmers' as beneficiaries
> who invariably turn out to oppose or be indifferent because farming
> follows the sun. It really is quite weird.

Respecting or not respecting daylight savings times is definitely a
geo-political decision at country level.

The farmers topic is one aspect, but I also heard about shift workers at
factories and the gains in electricity needed to make light.

There was a trend in Europe to move away from DST respecting.  The
process was due to unfold to an end in year 2020, but it stopped because
covid.  We're probably left with these DST complications during these
hard covid times.

Alex

> 
> I strongly suspect that the real attraction is bullying. It makes 
> certain people happy to think that they are responsible for a change
>  that will force the entire country to get up an hour earlier. The
> tell here of course being that no daylight savings in history has
> proposed giving people an extra hour in bed.
> 
> And of course, the leap second bullies are playing exactly the same 
> game. The astronomers use TAI always have, always will. In the
> unlikely event ships are forced to fall back on using time to
> determine the longitude, they will use a rack of corrections tables.
> Oh and solar noon varies by almost a quarter of an hour over the
> course of a year where I come from so the chance of me living long
> enough for accumulated drift due to lack of leap seconds being
> noticable is quite small.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:24 PM Carlos Marcelo Martinez Cagnazzo 
> <carlosm3011@gmail.com <mailto:carlosm3011@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Back in 2010-ish our government introduced DST with complete 
> disregard if the fact that we were by then living in a connected 
> world. They decided on DST with one week to go.
> 
> Of course neither the TZDB had time to be updated in time, nor 
> Android or Windows.
> 
> So we used “Greenland” as the timeZone for our meetings that summer.
> 
> I don’t know enough English to express how bizarre, alien and far 
> away Greenland seems from the green pampas of Uruguay. So we remember
> fondly the summer that govmt cluelesness brought us closer to such a
> far away land
> 
> /Carlos
> 
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>  On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 21:14, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org 
> <mailto:cabo@tzi.org>> wrote:
> 
> On 28. Jul 2021, at 23:25, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de 
> <mailto:tte@cs.fau.de>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does Webex by now allow you to enter UTC ?
> 
> They use the word “Reykjavik” for that, but yes.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
> 
> (Azores is wrong, they have DST.)
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