Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

Rob: Indeed

When working in the industry, we had public speaking classes, sometimes even
mandated by the organizers (if you want to speak in front of NNNN customers,
you have to qualify). Maybe there would be business that IETF might be happy
to promote for companies educating public speaking to offer such a training
course to IETF'er interested, e.g.: on saturday before IETF or the like.

One of the most simple things to learn (doh!) is to practice your talk so that
you can give it without having to read from your own slides (or a script if
you have good slides with just the pictures). At least until you manage to
read from slides/script without sounding like a robot who was previously
fired as a bad rap singer - e.g.: extreme stakkato, zero sentence structure
or any other structuring intonation - because you're focussed on reading,
not talking.

In research conferences during covid, when everybody had to just submit video
clips of their talks, i did on occasion experience talks where professional
voice actors had been hired by the researchers to dub their video clip.
That was in between "slick" and "foul" to me. But it would be fun to consider hiring a
voice actor for the IETF and letting that actor present slides from a written
script  on behalf of speakers who feel to insecure to present their slides
themselves. At least it would be a fun one-time experiment. Of course only with a posh
british accent! John Cleese would be my favourite.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 12:38:23PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> It is one thing to be able to read and write English clearly.  It is quite
> another challenge to speak it clearly over remote video, or even live
> sessions.  Especially to those of us with hearing processing challenges as
> well.
> 
> I can point to participants in the past from non-english speaking countries
> with superb writing abilities who have taken many of us to task about our
> writing skills with accents so thick as to be a real problem.
> 
> On 3/28/22 11:14, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> > While I am all for making attendance and participation easier
> > especially from developing countries, English on B2 or higher
> > level is required to understand any RFC or relevant document, and
> > hence I do not understand this request.
> > 
> > el
> > 
> > On 2022-03-28 17:04 , Benson Muite wrote:
> > > .
> > >> In comparison, learning english was harder for me, and we
> > >> expect every IETF participant to do just that (imagine how
> > >> great IETF would be if like in ITU we would provide translation
> > >> services).
> > >>
> > > For some languages automated translation and transcription is
> > > available.  This is something that could be investigated.
> > > Correcting the transcriptions in addition to or rather than
> > > taking notes would provide more data for training artificial
> > > intelligence models to improve future quality.
> > >
> 
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