Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Mon, 28 March 2022 14:02 UTC

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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:02:15 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: [113attendees] hybrid meetings: the worst of both worlds
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Ted,

i remember your concerns about gather. I wonder if/what steps there might be
for mitigation, e.g.: feedback for improvement or the like.

On your other point: I am sure most of us are dinosaurs, and i always fear the
time when a young person tells me all problems of the world can be solved with
tools not larger than smart-phones, but ideally watches. That is when i am
typically declare defeat on my side.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 11:20:16AM +0100, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 00:24 Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> 
> > If exactly and only the very same four people would have had lunch
> > together via
> > gather.town in a privat corner, how much different/worse would the result
> > have been ?
> 
> 
> In my case at least it simply wouldn’t have happened, since I’ve never
> found gather usable, and so wouldn’t have been at this putative gathering.
> It would be better to meet via zoom. But that’s the thing: definitely
> meetings happened on person that have not been happening for me at remote
> IETFs.
> 
> Maybe this is because I’m an aged dinosaur, but I suspect it’s more than
> that. Better tools might improve this situation, of course. But not gather.

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