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Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management for IETF 115 London

"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com> Fri, 12 August 2022 23:33 UTC

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From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
To: "Smith, Andy" <Andy_Smith=40comcast.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li>
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Subject: Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management for IETF 115 London
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I respect people's right to decide whether to get vaccinated or not - even though I strongly encourage people to get vaccinated.

But I do not respect people's right to put others at risk out of what is ultimately arrogance (however reasoned).

The sad reality is that we are living with a highly contagious disease that has a significant mortality rate.
Please, be considerate to others by doing what you can to minimize the risk of anyone contracting the disease.

I am fine with the stated IETF policy.

    Les


From: 114attendees <114attendees-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Smith, Andy
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 4:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management for IETF 115 London

Too strict a policy and the "real meeting" will take place at the bar around the corner from IETF.

This is precisely what was happening in Philly.

And this will, to Randy's point, disadvantage remote participation even more.

Require double vax and double booster, make masks optional.

Andy



From: 114attendees <114attendees-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:114attendees-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of Randy Bush <randy@psg.com<mailto:randy@psg.com>>
Date: Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:42 PM
To: Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li<mailto:tony.li@tony.li>>
Cc: 114attendees@ietf.org<mailto:114attendees@ietf.org> <114attendees@ietf.org<mailto:114attendees@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management for IETF 115 London
> Or maybe... the IETF should learn from its mistakes, realize that
> putting people's health at risk is simply not worth it, and revert to
> a purely virtual meeting.

i have sympathy for this, and certainly will not attend in person.  but,
as long as remote participation is not disadvantaged, if a bunch of folk
want to risk running off the earth's edge, i have better things to do
than trying to stop them.

as long as remote participation is not disadvantaged:

randy

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