Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management for IETF 115 London

John Levine <ietf@johnlevine.com> Mon, 15 August 2022 23:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management for IETF 115 London
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It appears that Jordi Palet Martínez <jordi.palet@theipv6company.com> said:
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>I don't think those stats are valid, because they ignore:
>If the infection was produced during the trip to/from the IETF.
>If the infection was produced right before traveling to IETF.
>If the infection was produced outside the meeting rooms where the mask mandatory policy applies (breaks, bars, open areas, hotel corridors, during meals, …).

Since there is no way we can tell, I would think that any sensible
person would note that the cost of wearing a mask is trivial, and the
potential benefit signficant both to the wearer and people around her
or him. So let's continue wearing the fripping masks.

R's,
John

PS: If anyone is planning to tell us about CO2 poisoning due to masks, or your
personal story about how masks are about freedom, just don't.