From nobody Thu Mar 30 18:58:27 2023 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 116attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 116attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E72C151709 for <116attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=puck.nether.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YTue9AMqjdy5 for <116attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from puck.nether.net (puck.nether.net [IPv6:2001:418:3f4::5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86308C14CE2C for <116attendees@ietf.org>; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (dhcp-8b35.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.139.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by puck.nether.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CE785401DB; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 21:57:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 puck.nether.net 7CE785401DB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=puck.nether.net; s=default; t=1680227876; bh=PmeR35nHiYF4D81Iv1u2lnFHznnCUN9RLZzOx7CM+MQ=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=AGWA3KfBuIA6yMQqiAqoVadP3MbPoP5ts0Lecfvv+7rXS5kmqVoAuQIseuJLkxXol 1XBzi6W1oKUXLMaROOl++cPfpk0me387QuW68aug4dpl0g6irn3kzgwfabxuZAuqk9 +Eus10uzaRkGRAZiUzgR1fl9Y7H8NSvDLZl0uJwAYLyNQV5UlMCp4/nHjHj5a+k6p5 HHoc91+ZxgwOjiqWn6GmxzgGbQ3auXv2nQjIwxGNhQIYMciGXB7EKGMUEmOMYL+hsT dvZjN2s5g1KpkCeFo56sM+wrv+uwRgO6UmC39/b/8gUU8W1OhHMD3LcO1AUSTdHp/D w2b3r1Bf8Wb8g== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.500.231\)) From: Jared Mauch In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 21:57:31 -0400 Cc: 116attendees@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <268F4DFD-4764-47AB-ABEF-BC3F6ADDA771@puck.nether.net> References: <30A22D87-B2D7-4A0E-9672-E047047951B9@apnic.net> To: Robert Kisteleki X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.500.231) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [116attendees] How to test if Pasmo/Suica/ICOCA card is still valid? X-BeenThere: 116attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: 116attendees <116attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 01:58:26 -0000 > On Mar 30, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Robert Kisteleki wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 2023-03-26 11:51, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >> They time out, after maybe 6 months. >=20 > I have two Pasmo cards from the last Yokohama meeting with some = leftover value and they just worked without doing any resurrection = ritual. >=20 > I *think* they have no pre-defined expiration time, unlike bank cards = or "western" travel cards. *If so*, what does that tell us = security/protocol geeks? :-) >=20 > I think besides Pasmo there's also a "Pasmo tourist" card nowadays, = that may, as you say, expire after 6 months? I have a regular suica card and it worked without trouble despite not = being here in many years, I did have trouble looking up the value at a = machine before attempting to use it but I may have done it wrong. I will comment that I did see a machine at NRT that would let you turn = in the card to redeem the value on it. I often take some quantity of = leftover cash and store it on the card (coins specifically) so I=E2=80=99m= not dragging those around when I am about to leave. This makes it easy = to move through the system next time. Combined with the ability to use it like a local debit card at many = establishments it does make the experience spending $ much easier, and = based on if you self fund or have an employer, train/transit based = expenses are often easier to expense[1]. - Jared 1 - I=E2=80=99m reminded of a story I heard once about an expense report = that was rejected for some reporter, I think for National Geographic = where they itemized things and it included an elephant ride, which they = rejected. The person then resubmitted the expense report for the same = value but with the cost embedded somewhere else and said =E2=80=9Cfind = the elephant=E2=80=9D or some such. As a business owner I know the = details of why you want these classified properly, as things like meals = you can write off but at 50% in the US tax system, but not other = entertainment items (eg: season tickets/suites/entertainment) as those = have varying tax behaviors from year-to-year as the regulations are = updated. Also various countries have tax/VAT rebate programs where you = can get refunds if you aren=E2=80=99t keeping the item in country and = are exporting them, similar to duty free shops at the airports. As an = international traveller it=E2=80=99s important to always be clear with = your declarations on arrival so you don=E2=80=99t get flagged = permanently in the computers and databases that are shared between = countries. Stay on the low risk side of the equation when possible.