Re: [16NG] distributed (decentralised) ASN for voip over wimax
"Jai-Jin Lim" <jjinlim@gmail.com> Tue, 29 July 2008 15:11 UTC
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From: Jai-Jin Lim <jjinlim@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [16NG] distributed (decentralised) ASN for voip over wimax
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Hi Frits, As mentioned below, WiMAX Forum is dedicated to discuss such things. For your information, WiMAX has defined two ASN models, known as Profile B and Profile C. The Profile B architecture meets your needs since supporting Profile B means the base station router. However, there are pros and cons for Profile B or Profile C. If you look at another competing technology called LTE, its architecture is similar to Profile C. I think there are good reasons and old practices why Profile C architecture is preferred especially for the mobile wireless network. --Jai-Jin On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Basavaraj Patil <basavaraj.patil@nokia.com>wrote: > > Hi Frits, > > Don't know if this discussion on the 16NG list even makes sense. Anyway, > your question is about network planning and the topology of your network. > You could deploy a network that does not require all traffic to be > backhauled to a centralized CSN HA/core router. > > You would likely get more feedback to your question about network > architecture and support for VoIP in the WiMAX forum's Network Working > group. > > -Raj > > > On 7/29/08 2:07 AM, "ext Frits Haas" <frits.haas@smilecoms.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I hope someone can answer a question I have that some of the top vendors > > such as Motorola, Huawei and Nokia Siemens are battling to give me a > > straight answer to. > > > > We are in the process of rolling out a 2.5 wimax network, designed purely > > around offering VOIP. > > > > With the current ASN/AAA architecture, all traffic is aggregated at the > CORE > > ASN, which means everything needs to be backhauled to the central ASN. > This > > poses an extremely difficult scenario for us, as transmission costs are > very > > high in the countries that we would like to launch our network (mostly > > Africa). > > > > One solution would be a kind of distributed ASN architecture, to minimise > > backhaul traffic. > > Better yet, each BTS is able to route or switch voip packets to its > > destination, alleviating the need to backhaul the entire voice stream. > > Granted, you still need the AAA to authenticate, and the billing system > > needs to be aware of the call, but that traffic is minimal. > > > > The question is, is anyone (vendor or otherwise) looking into designing > or > > creating such a model with their equipment, and if so, what would the > > different solutions entail? > > My theory is that a simple router at each BTS (Base station) would be > able > > to solve the problem. > > > > Your questions and comments most welcome. > > > > kind regards, > > :) Frits > > Frits Haas > > Senior Manager: Core IP Network Architecture > > Mobile: +27 (0) 83 280 8284 or +27 (0) 82 784 3248 > > Fax: +27 (0) 8663 20 620 > > Email and MSN : Frits.Haas@smilecoms.com > > Disclaimer http://www.smilecoms.com/disclaimer > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 16NG mailing list > > 16NG@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/16ng > > _______________________________________________ > 16NG mailing list > 16NG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/16ng >
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- [16NG] distributed (decentralised) ASN for voip o… Frits Haas
- Re: [16NG] distributed (decentralised) ASN for vo… Basavaraj Patil
- Re: [16NG] distributed (decentralised) ASN for vo… Jai-Jin Lim