Re: [16NG] [nwg-chair] NWG feedback on 16ng's IPv4 CS draft

gabriel montenegro <g_e_montenegro@yahoo.com> Wed, 10 June 2009 17:31 UTC

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:31:56 -0700
From: gabriel montenegro <g_e_montenegro@yahoo.com>
To: Wesley George <wgeorge@sprint.net>, Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
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Cc: ext Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org>, 16ng@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [16NG] [nwg-chair] NWG feedback on 16ng's IPv4 CS draft
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I'll add a reference to the RFC with language to the effect that it is just one possible source of information.



----- Original Message ----
> From: Wesley George <wgeorge@sprint.net>
> To: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
> Cc: gabriel montenegro <g_e_montenegro@yahoo.com>; "Riegel, Maximilian (NSN - DE/Munich)" <maximilian.riegel@nsn.com>; ext Samita Chakrabarti <samitac@ipinfusion.com>; ext Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org>; 16ng@ietf.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:57:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [16NG] [nwg-chair] NWG feedback on 16ng's IPv4 CS draft
> 
> I can appreciate that approach. I didn't really consider that we might be 
> reinventing the wheel. *blush*
> I think a reference to some issues that the implementor should be aware of is 
> better than no mention of them so probably since the below is still in draft, 
> the RFC is better than nothing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Wes
> 
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Pekka Savola wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, gabriel montenegro wrote:
> >> For example, one could think of referring interested readers to:
> >>  
> >> MTU and Fragmentation Issues with In-the-Network Tunneling
> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4459 
> >> But I don't even know if that is the more appropriate text one would want to 
> point at.
> >> I'm cc-ing the author, Pekka Savola, as he may have some more current info 
> for us.
> > 
> > In developing a protocol, I personally think the protocol specification should 
> decide a model to be adopted either in the protocol or in operating the 
> protocol, or just explicitly leave the issue open. RFC4459 just lists some 
> alternatives and their tradeoffs.
> > 
> > Apart from that there isn't much to add.  There's a bit more recent 00 draft 
> that also discusses tunnels from an architectural and less practical 
> perspective, but I'm not sure if it provides any more information than the RFC 
> above: draft-touch-intarea-tunnels-00.
> > 
> > 
> > -- Pekka Savola                "You each name yourselves king, yet the
> > Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
> > Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings