Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] Re : QCI to Diffserv mapping
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From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
To: Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>, "lionel.morand@orange.com" <lionel.morand@orange.com>
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Subject: Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] Re : QCI to Diffserv mapping
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Hi, We have been assigned the meeting room Coller on 3rd Floor. Cheers Magnus Westerlund > -----Original Message----- > From: Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com> > Sent: den 18 juli 2019 11:35 > To: lionel.morand@orange.com; Magnus Westerlund > <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> > Cc: DOLLY, MARTIN C <md3135@att.com>; 3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org; tsvwg- > chairs@ietf.org; vshaikh@perspectalabs.com; sdas@perspectalabs.com > Subject: Re: Re : [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to Diffserv mapping > > Lionel, Magnus, > > I do not think I have seen any follow up on this. > > Lionel, please confirm whether you have a draft agenda for the meeting on > Monday (beyond this topic). > > Magnus, per my email below, could you please secure a room for us for > Monday lunch? > > Cheers, > > Gonzalo > > On 04-Jul-19 10:14, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > > Thanks, Lionel! > > > > Magnus, with the information below, do you need anything else at this > point? > > > > Regarding the coordination meeting in Montreal, Magnus can probably > > get us a room with a conference bridge (or we can use a laptop, as I > > think we did last time). Our traditional slot for that is Monday lunch. > > > > By the way, do you have a draft agenda for the coordination meeting, > > in addition to this topic? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gonzalo > > > > On 04-Jul-19 01:40, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote: > >> Hi Gonzalo, Martin, > >> > >> We have discussed this point with Georg. According to the purpose of > >> the draft and early reaction of 3GPP folks, it appears that there is > >> currently no requirement for such mapping done in IETF. > >> > >> The QCI/DSCP mapping is only for information, as the final mapping > >> will be nyvow decided by network operators, based on the QCI values > >> but also on other criteria defined by the operators. > >> > >> Moreover, if you look at the 3GPP TS 23.203 specification across > >> releases, you will see that the new QCI values are continuously > >> defined by 3GPP depending on new use cases. For instance, there is an > >> ongoing didcussion to create additional values. So having a document > >> defining the mapping at the IETF side would seem not relevant as the > >> RFC, even if informational, could be already obsolete when published. > >> > >> There might be a need to have an update version of the mapping but, > >> if deemed required, interested parties should bring such a material > >> in 3GPP, to allow maintaining up to date the document. > >> > >> According that there is no specific requirement from 3GPP and an IETF > >> RFC, even information would be quite useless, 3GPP would be reluctant > >> to see any recommendation on the QCI/DSCP mapping provided in a IETF > >> document that would not be under the 3GPP control. > >> > >> Now, from an IETF point of view, if there is a strong push for such a > >> document, except the natural push from the authors, it would be up to > >> IETF to decide what to do in this area. If it is decided to move > >> forward, it should be made clear in the document that the proposed > >> mapping is only for information, not a recommendation, given as > example. > >> It should also be highlighted that the QCI values listed in the > >> document may not be up to date. > >> > >> I hope that the feedback is clear. > >> Anyhow, it will be useful to discuss this point in our coordination > >> meeting. Unfortunately, I will not be in Montreal but, if we could > >> set up an audio bridge as last time, it would be great. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Lionel > >> > >> > >> -------- Message original -------- > >> Objet : Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to Diffserv mapping De : "DOLLY, > >> MARTIN C" > >> À : Gonzalo Camarillo > >> Cc : MORAND Lionel TGI/OLN ,Magnus Westerlund > >> ,3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org,tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org,vshaikh@perspectalabs > >> .com,sdas@perspectalabs.com > >> > >> Greetings > >> > >> The NS/EP service in the USA has major issues w this draft that > >> is against efforts we standardized in 3GPP and ATIS > >> > >> We commented on the list and communicated w author, little > >> changes > >> > >> If this became a 3GPP dependency, we and the others would have > >> sustained objections > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Martin C. Dolly > >> > >> Lead Member of Technical Staff > >> > >> Government & Services Standards > >> > >> AT&T > >> > >> Cell: +1.609.903.3360 > >> > >> Email: md3135@att.com <mailto:md3135@att.com> > >> > >> > >> On Jul 3, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Gonzalo Camarillo > >> <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com > >> <mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Lionel, > >> > >> did you reach any conclusion? In particular, I would like to > >> understand > >> whether we need to organize the traditional 3GPP-IETF > >> coordination > >> meeting on the Monday of the upcoming IETF meeting in > >> Montreal to > >> discuss this or other issues. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Gonzalo > >> > >> On 02-Jul-19 13:11, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > >> > >> Hi Lionel, > >> > >> > >> yes, exactly; knowing 3GPP's position on this would be > >> very helpful in > >> > >> order to decide on next steps. Please, let us know after > >> you touch base > >> > >> with Georg later today. Thanks. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> > >> Gonzalo > >> > >> > >> On 02-Jul-19 11:58, lionel.morand@orange.com > >> <mailto:lionel.morand@orange.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Gonzalo, > >> > >> > >> We will discuss this point with Georg today during > >> an 3GPP internal coordination meeting. > >> > >> On the tsvwg mailing list, I think that the > >> conclusion was to set up a discussion at the next > >> IETF meeting to see what could be done in this area. > >> > >> Honestly, I'm not sure that such a work would be > >> useful if not supported by 3GPP. So if anything is > >> finally done, it could only be for information. > >> > >> > >> Coming back to you later. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> Lionel > >> > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> > >> De : Gonzalo Camarillo > >> [mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com] > >> > >> Envoyé : vendredi 28 juin 2019 16:09 > >> > >> À : MORAND Lionel TGI/OLN; Magnus Westerlund; > >> 3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org > >> <mailto:3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org> > >> > >> Cc : tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org > >> <mailto:tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org> > >> > >> Objet : Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to Diffserv > >> mapping > >> > >> > >> Hi Lionel, > >> > >> > >> I have not seen any follow up on this issue > >> during this month (see > >> > >> below). What is the current status? Thanks. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> > >> Gonzalo > >> > >> > >> On 29-May-19 12:37, lionel.morand@orange.com > >> <mailto:lionel.morand@orange.com> wrote: > >> > >> Thank you! > >> > >> > >> I have seen the ongoing discussion on this > >> topic. > >> > >> I will send soon an email clarifying the > >> current 3GPP position on this topic. > >> > >> It is important that any work on the QCI > >> mapping is aligned with real 3GPP > >> > >> requirements. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> Lionel > >> > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> > >> De : 3gpp-ietf-coord > >> [mailto:3gpp-ietf-coord-bounces@ietf.org] De > >> la > >> > >> part > >> > >> de Magnus Westerlund > >> > >> Envoyé : mercredi 29 mai 2019 11:09 > >> > >> À : 3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org > >> <mailto:3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org> > >> > >> Cc : tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org > >> <mailto:tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org> > >> > >> Objet : [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to > >> Diffserv mapping > >> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> A topic that may require coordination > >> between 3GPP and IETF is this > >> > >> individual proposal > >> > >> > >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf > >> .org_doc_draft-2Dhenry-2Dtsvwg-2Ddiffserv-2Dto- > 2Dqci_&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ > >> -o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=OV4zFc- > ZgJ46PZ4x9UvfXkT > >> > AVPAgFzc3jf6cvGf6x0g&s=XunaN7YxIvVUKNlYB0LFqWpZkcOVXTV8rK7BUaJl > vyo&e= > >> > >> > >> It has been presented once in TSVWG > >> before, when questions where > >> > >> raised > >> > >> about the relation to 3GPP. I haven't > >> seen any good answer to this > >> > >> question. Also the authors have updated > >> the draft and that has resulted > >> > >> in some additional discussion in this > >> thread: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mailarchive.ietf > >> .org_arch_msg_tsvwg_r3jAeNPcz83K0nFyQD4yObJkC- > 2D&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_H > >> UMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=OV4zFc- > ZgJ46PZ4x9UvfXkTAVPAg > >> Fzc3jf6cvGf6x0g&s=fzf5xDu0zA-11_7wZOZws5A- > XtDJHPg8MX6T3brLff4&e= > >> > >> A > >> > >> > >> So far no decision has been made if this > >> should be adopted or not, but I > >> > >> would not be surprised if the TSVWG > >> Chairs and I (as TSV AD) do get the > >> > >> question about adoption. > >> > >> > >> Input from a 3GPP perspective would be > >> appreciated on this document. > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> > >> Magnus Westerlund > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >> > >> Network Architecture & Protocols, > >> Ericsson Research > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >> > >> Ericsson AB | Phone +46 > >> 10 7148287 > >> > >> Torshamnsgatan 23 | Mobile +46 > >> 73 0949079 > >> > >> SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: > >> > >> magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > >> <mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> - > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> 3gpp-ietf-coord mailing list > >> > >> 3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org > >> <mailto:3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org> > >> > >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mai > >> lman_listinfo_3gpp-2Dietf-2Dcoord&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r > >> =G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=OV4zFc- > ZgJ46PZ4x9UvfXkTAVPAgFzc3jf6cvGf6x0g > >> &s=q_X_5XSzZyoEnIX3EI0K5efyl4wkwj-xENnr264Zij8&e= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ > _ > >> > >> > >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent > >> contenir des informations > >> > >> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent > >> donc > >> > >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans > >> autorisation. 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- Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to Diffserv mapping Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to Diffserv mapping lionel.morand
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